Isn't there a better way to distribute raid loot? If not which is most fair?

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) He's freaking out about (potentially) not getting loot. That's a classic loot whore personality trait. Loot whore pisses off loot council who skips that person over.
Prophecy fulfilled.

2) Reputation is everything. Who wants to be in BDA?

You keep talking about loot whore mentality but you are in a guild that's been raid suspended far too much trying to break raid rules for a little bit of loot.

Notsureifsrs

[drktmplr12]

Has no one suggested epgp?

[Fanguru]

Being part of the loot council sucks. You spend too much time worrying about who is going to complain and how to defuse drama, when you should be focusing on running your guild.

DKP puts everyone in charge of their own loot.

On such a top-heavy server, the benefits of gearing up key people are minor. EQ wasn't meant to be played with people full of BiS items. Everyone has so much gear for Kunark, and even in Velious most of the raid encounters can be done with that Kunark gear.

The only thing that promotes having key players full of BiS here is the cutthroat raid scene where a tiny advantage can help you leapfrog another guild.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being part of the loot council sucks. You spend too much time worrying about who is going to complain and how to defuse drama, when you should be focusing on running your guild.

I've seen way more complaints and drama in DKP systems than loot council. People constantly complaining about the DKP rules, thinking they should be changed, drama over that class-specific item that just went for 1 DKP (must be collusion!), etc. Now that's probably just that the DKP systems were worse run than the loot council system we had, but the point is that DKP doesn't defuse drama. A well-run system defuses drama.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DKP puts everyone in charge of their own loot.

[Man0warr]

Biggest problem with DKP is it makes a lot of work for whoever is tasked with it's upkeep, burnout rate on those poor officers is high.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Biggest problem with DKP is it makes a lot of work for whoever is tasked with it's upkeep, burnout rate on those poor officers is high.

To be fair, a well run loot council needs to keep track of a lot of data as well.

[maskedmelon]

DKP is inherently more "fair" to individuals because it objectively awards based on investment.

Loot Council is more well reasoned for a guild (not its members) because it prioritizes awards based on the needs of the collective entity over those of individual members. Top guilds employ it for this reason, not because they are moral arbiters of the pixel.

[Orruar]

Fairness is not some objective quality you can measure. As it is subjective, everyone has a differing notion of fairness. In that sense, loot council is more fair in the sense that it doesn't try to hide or deny the subjective nature of loot distribution.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fairness is not some objective quality you can measure. As it is subjective, everyone has a differing notion of fairness. In that sense, loot council is more fair in the sense that it doesn't try to hide or deny the subjective nature of loot distribution.

Do you realize that you are arguing a word/concept means the opposite of itself? 'Fair' by definition is free of subjectivity/ bias.

Now that does not mean loot council is a bad system though, just that it is unfair to the individual.

Whether that is good or bad is entirely open for debate since those are subjective evaluations, but just because you feel it is right does not mean you can decide it is fair. It is not ^^