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[tortue ninja]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you simply looking at the evil acts that men do and blaming whichever religion they belong to, or evil acts that men do which are actually commanded by their religion?

Terrorism has no religion

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by tortue ninja [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Terrorism has no religion

He was referring to the fact that the Qur'an is riddled with passages like surat muhammad 47:4:

"So when you meet those who disbelieve in battle, strike their necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either confer favor afterwards or ransom them until the war lays down its burdens. That is the command. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them Himself, but He ordered armed struggle to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds."

Read the book before lending your support to the narrative of the victimized Islamic faith.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that there is nothing like this in Christ's message (the new testament) from whom the term Christianity is derived. The reason Christ was such a pivotal figure was because he pacified a brutal religion and vastly broadened its base.

As the previous poster said you cannot blame a religion for evil acts by men affiliated with that religion, when the religion offers no substantive grounds for those acts. Islam unfortunately (for mankind) furnishes such grounds in multitude.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you simply looking at the evil acts that men do and blaming whichever religion they belong to, or evil acts that men do which are actually commanded by their religion?

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed. You can certainly argue about the SS / nazis as that is a bit less clear, but forced conversions are only for religion, not secular reasons. There were some secular members of the NDH who were doing it for non-religious reasons, but the catholic church was absolutely in bed with them.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed. You can certainly argue about the SS / nazis as that is a bit less clear, but forced conversions are only for religion, not secular reasons. There were some secular members of the NDH who were doing killings and deportations for non-religious reasons, but the catholic church was absolutely in bed with them.

Fixed to be more clear

[Slax]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed.

But then they weren't exactly following Christian Scripture then, were they? So these are the evil actions of men, not men following the teachings of Jesus or his Apostles. Christians are clearly commanded to leave people be to their own demise if they don't want to receive The Gospel.

Matthew 10:14 - "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."

Compare that with ..

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."


I could go on and on and on. There's lots more where that came from in The Qur'an and Hadiths.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then they weren't exactly following Christian Scripture then, were they? So these are the evil actions of men, not men following the teachings of Jesus or his Apostles. Christians are clearly commanded to leave people be to their own demise if they don't want to receive The Gospel.

Matthew 10:14 - "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."

Compare that with ..

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."


I could go on and on and on. There's lots more where that came from in The Qur'an and Hadiths.

I think the Bible and the Quaran are the best books ever written - because they mean whatever the fuck the reader wants them to mean.

And I don't know, the pope and archbishops condoning genocide certainly counts as following Christianity to me - at least the flavor known as Catholicism.

As for Hitler and the Nazis, he says some things in which he hates the Church and some in which shows he is a Catholic. Whether or not he did, there were certainly a ton of Catholics who supported the Holocaust as well as German Protestants.

Whether or not they found their inspiration from direct scripture quotes is a bit silly. They definitely thought they were Christians and there are definitely verses that condone killing. Of course I could quote them, but you'll just say it's not meant to be taken literally - even if I find some members of the NDH or Catholic church using them. So essentially you've set up something impossible to prove - the perfect no true scotsman.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether or not they found their inspiration from direct scripture quotes is a bit silly. They definitely thought they were Christians and there are definitely verses that condone killing. Of course I could quote them, but you'll just say it's not meant to be taken literally - even if I find some members of the NDH or Catholic church using them. So essentially you've set up something impossible to prove - the perfect no true scotsman.

Indulge us, please find and share such a quote within the teachings of Christ (the New Testament).

The point is that one religion teaches violence and intolerance and one does not. The one that does is therefore exponentially more vulnerable to committing such acts in addition to the exploitation all power-wielding organizations are subject to.

[Slax]

And if you want to talk about Nazis, Hitler absolutelydespised Christianity, but Islam on the other hand, he was rather fond of.

[tortue ninja]

Religious people are good, to hire dumb people, they are the best. You have to be brave to say this kind of bullshit.

[Slax]

Ok well either way, do a bit of research on Hitler and you'll see he planned to destroy the church after consolidating power. He also wished the Germanic races had fallen to Islam 8th century, which would have insured they would have dominated the world under "Mohammedanism". This way, you can at least stop saying he was Christian, despite what he said for political purposes. Let's not forget he took power through a free election.