OMG I'm Blind!

[Burgerking]

This video illustrates how easy it is to counter CC mechanics. The video is laggy but it shows the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Gh...ature=youtu.be

Malosini applied, then blind, one dispel both gone. As fast as you can click a pumice(3 secs) it's gone. This works for any CC effect except Whirl which is OP because you're stunned and fucked. I wouldn't have even been able to land malosini on myself without malo first if I didn't drop my MR for this video.

This is why I'm not getting chain blinded/rooted and clowns are. It's a learn to play issue that doe not effect experienced PvP'ers.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This video illustrates how easy it is to counter CC mechanics. The video is laggy but it shows the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Gh...ature=youtu.be

Malosini applied, then blind, one dispel both gone. As fast as you can click a pumice(3 secs) it's gone. This works for any CC effect except Whirl which is OP because you're stunned and fucked. I wouldn't have even been able to land malosini on myself without malo first if I didn't drop my MR for this video.

This is why I'm not getting chain blinded/rooted and clowns are. It's a learn to play issue that doe not effect experienced PvP'ers.

You should have clicked a bracer of hidden see invis on yourself first, what a shitty PvPer.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should have clicked a bracer of hidden see invis on yourself first, what a shitty PvPer.

I think this video illustrates what a bad player you are considering the amount of tears you shed on something so easily countered. Sad I have to teach people how to play on 15 year old elf sim.

[Nirgon]

Very good and true

Now apply this to a 20v20 situation

[Darksinga]

Smart player who sees you would immediately pell you as your first top two buffs are already gone. Smart thing to do would only to have the top slot open, if you get maloed, then to click off the second.

Just saying, especially with that buff set up, you're doomed for failure

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very good and true

Now apply this to a 20v20 situation

Is it any different then 5 melee's jumping on you in a 20v20 and one rogue snare poisoning you, In my video you just got blinded in that scenario you're dead.

In any 20v20 if you're the called primary target by the opposing force, you're dead. Let's not pretend it's any different regardless of the classes jumping on you.

How about a monk T-Staff procing you, or Rogue Skean procing you, that's more acceptable then something you CAN TAKE OFF?

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Smart player who sees you would immediately pell you as your first top two buffs are already gone. Smart thing to do would only to have the top slot open, if you get maloed, then to click off the second.

Just saying, especially with that buff set up, you're doomed for failure

I took off my top two slots just to make that video, I thought that was obvious, if you think that's my pvp buff setup lol just LOL.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it any different then 5 melee's jumping on you in a 20v20 and one rogue snare poisoning you, In my video you just got blinded in that scenario you're dead.

Hard to weigh which is worse, depends on the zone / situation.

Rogue poisons seem to have a very high success rate vs DMF'd targets. Not sure on DMF+ resist poison combo (120+pr) but this should equate to no rogue poisons landing without pelling/debuffs. Same with bane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

I'm completely on board with your case that all the melees who were running in circles with auto attack on doing unmitigated damage was stupid and now they have a huge problem with balance but..

This is bad too

Fear not, shamans will still be pretty godly even without blind spam

It appears to be the last remaining major issue resist system wise

WTB: cast thru walls always (you can heal through walls..) and removal of z-axis check... maybe next major patch


20v20 Sam if someone gets rooted... the call of next target ain't far off. Further in the numbers game, the team who has just 1 extra warm body spamming roots has a massive advantage. READ: Some guy spamming a 2 sec cast that results in a nearly instant kill every time. This massively benefits Holo now as its nigh impossible to mess with our raid attempts... trying to be the bigger man here and admit it rather than serve selfish interests and defend it.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Crazycloud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually that gank squad should have a very good chance at killing someone. But a good pvper should be able to avoid death there if very well geared/buffed and a non bard. You're just in denial how easy it is to land shit while being debuffed right now. Anyone else would of been chain rooted on that bridge. Also melees can channel pumice now but what happens when channeling gets fixed for melees? how do they escape that?

You just want a ez mode box where people just chain cast blind/root and make it almost impossible to get away.

Hell we chain rooted deluxee with only tash on him hahahahhah dude should of been able to escape. Games broke baddies in denial

I just showed you how to counter the tactic in 3 seconds, yet to you it's still some unstoppable broken thing you cant get around?

You want to live 5v1 vs the perfect gank squad, you want to fight only by a zoneline, you don;t want pvp you want to exploit the previous broken pvp system. Where a rogue would engage 5 people kill 2 and escape. There was maybe 1 rogue good enough to pull that off on live. Here every rogue was doing it.

You want debuff's scaled down so you are impervious to ever CC effect lol, it's so cringe-worthy and you dont even get it.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hard to weigh which is worse, depends on the zone / situation.

Rogue poisons seem to have a very high success rate vs DMF'd targets. Not sure on DMF+ resist poison combo (120+pr) but this should equate to no rogue poisons landing without pelling/debuffs. Same with bane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

I'm completely on board with your case that all the melees who were running in circles with auto attack on doing unmitigated damage was stupid and now they have a huge problem with balance but..

This is bad too

Fear not, shamans will still be pretty godly even without blind spam

It appears to be the last remaining major issue resist system wise

WTB: cast thru walls always (you can heal through walls..) and removal of z-axis check... maybe next major patch


20v20 Sam if someone gets rooted... the call of next target ain't far off. Further in the numbers game, the team who has just 1 extra warm body spamming roots has a massive advantage. READ: Some guy spamming a 2 sec cast that results in a nearly instant kill every time.

When you fail to make any logical point you resort to flaming someone, typical Nirgon. You are doing everything in your power to skew the current resist system so that your zerg setup will win and no one can even CC your raid party members.

Hmmm no CC on 40v20 which is how Holocaust likes to fight sounds PERFECT for you guys.

You want Z-Axis removed so melee's can't hit people lev'd above them lmfao, which btw wasn't classic era, you want LOS gone which LOS wasn't even added to Luclin fucking era.

Everything your fighting for is custom and doesn't resemble live pvp and keeps your zerg in power.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In any 20v20 if you're the called primary target by the opposing force, you're dead. Let's not pretend it's any different regardless of the classes jumping on you.

Yeah. You never PvP'd at 60 pre Velious.

All of your arguments basically ignore the principles of healing in PvP. Good healers could easily counter an assist train. There's almost no circumstance when healing isnt effective pre-Luclin. Any model or train of thought that ignores that is flawed. This is how we know you don't know shit. Syft never mass PvPed.

PvP can still and needs to be refined right now. End of story.

[Ragnaros]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. You never PvP'd at 60 pre Velious.

All of your arguments basically ignore the principles of healing in PvP. Good healers could easily counter an assist train. There's almost no circumstance when healing isnt effective pre-Luclin. Any model or train of thought that ignores that is flawed. This is how we know you don't know shit. Syft never mass PvPed.

PvP can still and needs to be refined right now. End of story.

Plus good players always carry a DA idol that takes 10 minutes to farm