holo vs holo

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.

Level 30s have no say on these forums.

[mostbitter]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

[mostbitter]

Originally Posted by Sektor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level 30s have no say on these forums.

Rmt king pins have no credibility anywhere, except for azrael.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

Keep? We crootin brah, and we gonna need every member we have and more to start raiding in velious.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep? We crootin brah, and we gonna need every member we have and more to start raiding in velious.

I'm honestly curious...

Your plan is to keep recruiting members and dominate the server with a zerg?

say azrael stops attempting to contest all together. Will holo still continue to recruit?

based on what you are telling me (not sure is srs).. you are going to recruit until there is no competition at all.. using "velious around the corner"(not sure is srs again) and "recruit and contest" as an excuse?

what is the long term game plan? what is the goal? when you achieve your goal then what?

will it ever even be possible for another guild on red to recruit enough players to even contest holocausts numbers? you say you have low lvls in rags so you need more people. Well from what i hear those people are gaining levels and epics every day. So what happens when holocaust is 80-100 strong with geared high lvl toons?

all srs questions.

[Elspeth]

guilds are never able to sustain these numbers. eventually people will want good loot and hard epics sooner than later. so many people and personalities inevitably breed conflict. i have respect for colgate but when it comes to holding together a zerg like this, he doesnt have the dedication or PT that nizzar had. it may take a few months, but with all the new players here and continuing to come, it seems a third guild is on the horizon.

[mostbitter]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

Yeah they should considering that 60 is likely to be a rather small size for a guild if/when velious releases. I am sure that instead of that you're going to see Azrael numbers dwindle back down and some people will leave and join holocaust. That is what happens when you have a guild that operates like nihilum (officer's/core first,mysterious loot decisions) that is missing the key ingredient which is success in killing raid targets.


Azrael isn't a fun place to be. Azrael is full of back stabbing benedict arnolds all out for themselves and they know it and have known it for years which is why you have a guild full of people with a mentality that recruiting is a bogus way to operate. Because they know that every new mouth is one that is taking pixels out of their own.

[Elspeth]

very amusing to hear max and agatha speak on Azrael as if they have a clue. Talking about bias opinions they formed nearly 2 years ago when they were in the guild. azrael tight-knit family guild full of real ass *****s who have been fighting the zerg since the dawn of norrath. keep hatin.

[mostbitter]

definition of tight knit family guild: stealing from the people who have helped you the most.