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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

half retarded wigger is my 3rd favorite troll persona, keep up the good work champ

Hahahahahahahaha rofl

Also I think he went full retard a couple of times

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Genghis khan, Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Pol Pot

What religion did they follow? Stupidity, just like you!
Genghis Khan doesn't actually belong there as he had a shamanistic religion, but you get the point. People do evil things for a variety or reasons, mostly because they're pussies or sociopaths.

Also, mass hysteria over a fictitious "war on women" manipulates political opinion, what's your point? Something that influences public policy in a way that you don't like should be banned? Sounds like democracy in action, dumb ass

Was their atheism instrumental in carrying out their atrocities? There is no defining ‘holy book’ or text which seeks to dictate what atheists should or shouldn’t do as some divine diktat. One can hardly call atheism into question when the only thing atheism states is that there is no god or there is likely no god. It doesnt tell you how to treat people, how much a slave should cost, it doesnt promise anything ,and it doesnt require worship.

The atrocities surround Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. fall squarely on the political, social, and economic ideologies they fostered and placed into practice. They just happened to be atheist AND sociopaths. A very important distinction. I dont blame the preacher down the street when an abortion clinic is bombed but it seems you are quick to blame all atheists for the actions of a few.

Also, when did I call for a ban on anything? I was pointing out that religious dogma hinders rational thought. It conflicts with reality and is used to pass laws that affect the non-religious. In the US where 80% are religious it is akin to two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. If you think religious dogma is a good thing to base decisions on then I would ask you to consider what it would be like living as a Christian under Islamic law. I doubt you would be so flippant politicians restricting your rights or discarding scientific evidence under those same circumstances.

BTW, we live in a republic...not a democracy. There are laws in our constitution that quite clearly state there should be a separation of church and state. Freedom of religion is just as much about freedom from religious persecution as it is about protecting the religious.

Lastly, calling folks dumbass and stupid isnt an argument.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One can hardly call atheism into question when the only thing atheism states is that there is no god or there is likely no god.

Great posts, but I differ slightly on this point. Atheism isn't so much a statement of anything as it is simply a refusal to believe in the divine or any kind of supernatural power. Every believer is atheistic with regard to some god or another, just as everyone, I hope, is an atheist with regard to Zeus, or Athena, or Thor.

Atheism is not and should not be a statement that there is no god. It's simply about having a healthy amount of skepticism and doubt when it comes to definitive answers to The Big Questions about our universe. Atheism is open to new evidence - the day Jesus descends from the heavens and raptures every believer into an eternity of praise and worship, every atheist will by principle have to become a believer.

I don't even like to say that I am an atheist or an antitheist or whatever, as it seems silly to profess what I do not believe in. As long as the States remain a secular nation I don't need to go around saying how I believe there is insufficient evidence to prove theories about the afterlife or the origins of the universe. However, the day proselytization becomes mandatory - the day my children have to read religious literature in school - is the day we should speak up.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, the day proselytization becomes mandatory - the day my children have to read religious literature in school - is the day we should speak up.

At that point is too late. What you are suggesting is akin to waiting till you get cancer to quit smoking.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At that point is too late. What you are suggesting is akin to waiting till you get cancer to quit smoking.

Point taken, but I was being more figurative than literal here. Obviously, any suggestion of required religious teaching should be uprooted before it even gets the chance.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the day proselytization becomes mandatory - the day my children have to read religious literature in school - is the day we should speak up.

The time is now.

http://www.alternet.org/education/ho...ildly-ignorant

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point taken, but I was being more figurative than literal here. Obviously, any suggestion of required religious teaching should be uprooted before it even gets the chance.

But evolution is taught mandatorily in schools and it is a religion.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point taken, but I was being more figurative than literal here. Obviously, any suggestion of required religious teaching should be uprooted before it even gets the chance.

Yet we allow ourselves to be taught scientific theories that tend to usually be proven wrong by wait for it...... other scientific theories or vastly change.

On another note, like I pointed out in another thread, by definition religion is basically anything and everything, and is impossible to remove. To disagree even puts yourself into a belief that is considered religious. Those who think otherwise should just kill themselves to try and escape the idea and rid ourselves of such uselessness.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But evolution is taught mandatorily in schools and it is a religion.

Just like gravity.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet we allow ourselves to be taught scientific theories that tend to usually be proven wrong by wait for it...... other scientific theories or vastly change.

On another note, like I pointed out in another thread, by definition religion is basically anything and everything, and is impossible to remove. To disagree even puts yourself into a belief that is considered religious. Those who think otherwise should just kill themselves to try and escape the idea and rid ourselves of such uselessness.

You are forgetting that little 'evidence' thing...

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like gravity.


You are forgetting that little 'evidence' thing...

Evidence thing for what?