Dark Ascension

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Bashee_Feind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I'm saying, is while sitting on the target.. There were duels and laughs shared by many. We weren't afk, we were all having an enjoyable time hanging out. I don't see where camping a raid target is any different than camping a spawn of your choice. Yeah, there's not as much killing as if you'd camp frenzy, but does that really make it that much different?

I sat in frenzy for 37 hours... Does that make me a bad person? A poopsocker so to speak? I'm not sure what the need for all the hatred is.. Vesica Dei was holding innoruuk's camp before DA. VD gave up and Senaiel said "it's all yours" and they left. DA didn't try to leapfrog them or go sit on the spawn point when VD was sitting on the ramp. DA respected VD's claims to inny and left it at that, until they left. I think alot of people pinpoint DA for their own reasons. But come on, DA is not the only ones doing this.

You've gotta be kidding me... poopsock is the only tactic DA has used to down a target since their inception. You were at naggy for at least 3-4 hours (we tracked) and had he not popped you most likely would have been sitting there for the other 2 days until his window was over. Simply look at the roster in DA now and tell me if you can name but a handful of names that were there from a month ago, then take those names and try to pinpoint those who had been in the guild since the beginning. I can only name two or three. I've had friends in DA (from the beginning) and the majority of them quit due to the poopsocking. Asking someone to acknowledge the claim that DA isn't the only guild doing it is asking the entire server to completely forget the last 4-5 months of this server's raid scene. Your guild decided to revert back to it's single tactic, tried and true. I can pretty much guarantee that you guys will be sitting at spawns for at least 1-2 days with 30-40 people.

New rules, same ol' tactics!

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can pretty much guarantee that you guys will be sitting at spawns for at least 1-2 days with 30-40 people.

New rules, same ol' tactics!

Skope, completely disregarding any single guild - Do you not agree that if a guild chooses to keep "30-40 people" at a target, they then are conceding other targets?

I know what you're saying though.

[Kutter]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Skope, completely disregarding any single guild - Do you not agree that if a guild chooses to keep "30-40 people" at a target, they then are conceding other targets?

I know what you're saying though.

No, because every raid guild has a good idea of which spawn is coming next. Even with the variance it ain't hard to nail down, and ONE guild deciding to camp a target leads to the next, and so on. Just the way it was before the rules were changed, to stop that shit.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Skope, completely disregarding any single guild - Do you not agree that if a guild chooses to keep "30-40 people" at a target, they then are conceding other targets?

I know what you're saying though.

The issue is that targets very rarely pop at the same time, and this was the same argument brought against poopsocking in the beginning. Basically it doesn't hold water because of the way things spawn. They lost CT after track/mobilizing, they then poopsocked inny/naggy and 3 guilds showed up to vox pretty much at once (trans was there just before it popped actually). Then they went back to inny and poopsocked him until he fell. If a guild chooses to sit on a target for days in a window they have an advantage over those who don't and still track due to mobilization time. Are they hampered if they must move to other targets? No, not any more than any other guild that's tracking/mobilizing.

[xorbier]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've gotta be kidding me... poopsock is the only tactic DA has used to down a target since their inception. You were at naggy for at least 3-4 hours (we tracked) and had he not popped you most likely would have been sitting there for the other 2 days until his window was over. Simply look at the roster in DA now and tell me if you can name but a handful of names that were there from a month ago, then take those names and try to pinpoint those who had been in the guild since the beginning. I can only name two or three. I've had friends in DA (from the beginning) and the majority of them quit due to the poopsocking. Asking someone to acknowledge the claim that DA isn't the only guild doing it is asking the entire server to completely forget the last 4-5 months of this server's raid scene. Your guild decided to revert back to it's single tactic, tried and true. I can pretty much guarantee that you guys will be sitting at spawns for at least 1-2 days with 30-40 people.

New rules, same ol' tactics!

Right, kind of like that time DA out mobilized IB to Vox while having claim to CT and downing both. Oh that's right, you weren't there. Perhaps that’s why your drivel lacks substance or merit.

As to everyone being new in DA. Yes, a handful have left...this is a emu (emo) server and that's expected. Many others are busy with school and work and haven't logged in for awhile which I imagine every guild is going through. Yes, as any raiding guild would we've recruited new players. That's a good thing right?

[Kutter]

Originally Posted by xorbier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, kind of like that time DA out mobilized IB to Vox while having claim to CT and downing both. Oh that's right, you weren't there. Perhaps that’s why your drivel lacks substance or merit.

What happened to THAT DA? bring it back.

[Kutter]

Originally Posted by Bashee_Feind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I'm saying, is while sitting on the target.. There were duels and laughs shared by many. We weren't afk, we were all having an enjoyable time hanging out. I don't see where camping a raid target is any different than camping a spawn of your choice. Yeah, there's not as much killing as if you'd camp frenzy, but does that really make it that much different?

That's the fuckn problem. You don't understand the concept of competition. Sitting on a raid target for hours/days whatever...how can that be fuckn enjoyable? Knowing that by the virtue of you having your ass planted there wins you target, how can that give you any satisfaction? It's a loot-whore philosophy, and that's what people dislike. Most good guilds kicked loot-whores out on live.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Kutter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most good guilds kicked loot-whores out on live.

Loot Whore - I do not think it means, what you think it means.

[Kutter]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loot Whore - I do not think it means, what you think it means.

It absolutely does. DA doesn't care about the competition to a raid target at all. They are loot-driven alone. Or do you think socking creates competition?

[xorbier]

Originally Posted by Kutter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the fuckn problem. You don't understand the concept of competition. Sitting on a raid target for hours/days whatever...how can that be fuckn enjoyable? Knowing that by the virtue of you having your ass planted there wins you target, how can that give you any satisfaction? It's a loot-whore philosophy, and that's what people dislike. Most good guilds kicked loot-whores out on live.

Enough about what people dislike. We've heard you!

For someone complaining about loot whores, you sure seem to be bent out of shape for not getting any...