How is hybrid hate these days?

[sox7d]

Ranger haters be like the guy who, when you go to an aquarium with them and say, "Wow, look at that starfish," they respond, "Well, technically that's not a fish, it's called a seastar." And it's like, dude, fuck you. Sure, maybe it's not scientifically a fish, and I wasn't 100% flawless in my description and scientific knowledge of what it should be classified as, but you still knew what the fuck I was talking about and I got my point across about what I wanted you to look at.

[sulpher01]

It really comes down to twinkage for a ranger with me... Do u have tolans and your epics at 50? Seems to be a fad atm..otherwise id rather leave the spot open. And i love rangers, they just have to be super geared [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger haters be like the guy who, when you go to an aquarium with them and say, "Wow, look at that starfish," they respond, "Well, technically that's not a fish, it's called a seastar." And it's like, dude, fuck you. Sure, maybe it's not scientifically a fish, and I wasn't 100% flawless in my description and scientific knowledge of what it should be classified as, but you still knew what the fuck I was talking about and I got my point across about what I wanted you to look at.

Actually as far as for "ranger haters", imo it's usually a phrase that a player throws around who plays ranger and does it so bad that they cant get a group so they go around accusing everyone of being "ranger haters" ...but while good rangers keep getting asked to join groups. It's like saying rangerphobe, or some such silly PC '-phobe' dialog/tag to get sympathy to their own personal rejection based on their own failures and incompetencies with what they do.

The solution: as far as I'd say, roll a war, clr or enc first if you are just starting here, level up, have fun and make lots of plat. Then roll a ranger or some such class, twink them so you can solo well enough when you cant find groups, have fun. You will be spewing a lot less "ranger haters" even if it turns out you cant really play ranger very well, since it's not hard to play a war, clr or enc well enough to get groups when you want to group. I'm sure people will say blah-blah to this, or be outraged, but it's just a matter of adapting to the designed environment. Adapt or die, as they say. At least in the triune thing SOE devised, you won't be so agitated getting your first cap, then making it easier for the more challenging alt later on.

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually as far as for "ranger haters", imo it's usually a phrase that a player throws around who plays ranger and does it so bad that they cant get a group so they go around accusing everyone of being "ranger haters" ...but while good rangers keep getting asked to join groups. It's like saying rangerphobe, or some such silly PC '-phobe' dialog/tag to get sympathy to their own personal rejection based on their own failures and incompetencies with what they do.

dat assumptions


Or, no one regularly uses the term "ranger haters" and this thread wouldn't exist if there weren't "min-maxers."

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually as far as for "ranger haters", imo it's usually a phrase that a player throws around who plays ranger and does it so bad that they cant get a group so they go around accusing everyone of being "ranger haters" ...but while good rangers keep getting asked to join groups. It's like saying rangerphobe, or some such silly PC '-phobe' dialog/tag to get sympathy to their own personal rejection based on their own failures and incompetencies with what they do.

The solution: as far as I'd say, roll a war, clr or enc first if you are just starting here, level up, have fun and make lots of plat. Then roll a ranger or some such class, twink them so you can solo well enough when you cant find groups, have fun. You will be spewing a lot less "ranger haters" even if it turns out you cant really play ranger very well, since it's not hard to play a war, clr or enc well enough to get groups when you want to group. I'm sure people will say blah-blah to this, or be outraged, but it's just a matter of adapting to the designed environment. Adapt or die, as they say. At least in the triune thing SOE devised, you won't be so agitated getting your first cap, then making it easier for the more challenging alt later on.

Bro I'm sorry that nobody was ever happy with your ranger's tanking on live or beyond. Do some gear research, seek the right group comps, use your spells. You can improve. People were always happy with my tanking.

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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bro I'm sorry that nobody was ever happy with your ranger's tanking on live or beyond. Do some gear research, seek the right group comps, use your spells. You can improve. People were always happy with my tanking.

hmm? like I said, never had problems getting groups on live. I definitely didn't go around trying to pass off my ranger as a tank though, and generally looked for well balanced groups from my friends list, get in on starting times so we didn't face much turnover. And if my friends needed a cleric, I'd happily switch to that when needed. I never bitched about ranger or got into all the "ranger hate" bs, that didn't effect me. Of course though, when on cleric, you see the difference with what a good ranger does and what a bad ranger can do. It's a tough class, it really is. Troxx wrote up a good post btw, can agree with that.

[Troxx]

A mediocre ranger is a drain on the group. A mediocre bard is also a drain, but when all else fails they can just pulse mana every 3 seconds and do something marginally more productive than a mediocre ranger.

A well played ranger is a great asset, but it's a thankless job that might well go un-noticed.

You won't tank like a tank. You won't dps like a monk or rogue. You won't cc like a bard/ench. That dps you do provide is pretty good though, and if you don't accidentally get aggro and waste heals ... If you use your mana between pulls to top off the non tanks ... If you make sure shit is snared and adds on casters get rooted ... You will pull your weight.

It's similar playing a bard honestly. I pull well but rarely do it. I'd rather the tank bring 2 adds so I can charm one and mez the other and use that down time pulsing 3 rounds of mana and using lute with nivs and hymn to feed 40hp regen a tick to the whole group.

My clerics in a good group rarely need to waste mana on anything but a cheal for the tank.

I might not dps like a dps, but I'll make everyone else's job in the group easier and keep the xp flowing more than enough to make up for the xp penalty I have to deal with until velious. I'll make YOU waste less mana, give YOU more mana in your pool, make YOU dps better, keep the adds off YOU, and keep your health topped off without draining unnecessary mana from whoever is doing the healing.

[iruinedyourday]

Im sorry to say there are many nights where I have sat in silent reverence while a ranger kicked major ass... on behalf of all the good rangers out there this is my public thank you. If you are good at your class, somewhere, someone is very appreciative.

[fastboy21]

daywolf is wrong. most rangers can tank fine. obviously they aren't the number 1 tank class, but so what?

if your grp has a shaman anyone can tank in kc.

if your grp has a decent cleric and the ranger is well geared he can tank in kc. usually its a stop gap between a good grp splitting up and finding a dedicated tank class...and the ranger does the job just fine. there aren't always warriors/pallies/sks lfg.

if you are building a min/max grp then obviously you aren't going to pick ranger as the ideal tank. most of the time, most of us, are just looking to play and have some fun while getting some exp. ranger can fit into those grps just fine---and, to be honest, i wish all grps were like that on p99. what are you racing for? to be sat in static content when velious launches forever? seriously, min/maxers on a static emu server need a reality check.

ps. i've grped with cirocco in kc. he did a better job tanking than most "tank classes" and a better job pulling than most "puller" classes. the biggest reason to find a tank for the grp was so that he could go back to being a dedicated puller.

[Troxx]

Honestly which is a bigger drain on cleric mana?

-a ranger with decent mitigation but a low hp pool
-a warrior who can't hold aggro over the 2 epic rogues

Mana healing rogues is just as draining if not more so as main healing a ranger that doesn't lose aggro. The same holds true for bards who, quite frankly have threat generation higher than arguably anyone else. That slow/snare or even worse the slow/snare/debuff songs generate so much threat that I can't keep a mob permanently slowed unless grouped with a knight who is bringing their A game without having near permanent aggro.

Cheal + real tank is stupidly efficient - but that requires either a knight or a well geared warrior. That warrior will still require a lot of epic rogues to throttle back.

Rangers and bards are not 'tanks'. They can, however, tank - and they hold aggro exceptionally well. Whether or not they should depends entirely on the group ... But it is workable. When a real tank is around - they should be doing everything possible to not waste healer mana.