For those that questioned Salem's integrity

[Mac Drettj]

cool art project, but your video only proves the difference between what you claim an what lithiumm did

[heartbrand]

Tells people to stop emotionally investing // has made 500 posts in last 24 hours on subject including a venn diagram / photo collage / masters thesis.

[Tekay]

LOL man I just got home and I've been watching this video frame by frame... I looked exactly where Lithiuum was supposed to be, had he actually swam down. He wasn't there. But then a few frames later he appears in a spot that I had already checked.

Unfortunately, you guys can't talk/post your way out of this one. The proofs in the pudding as they say. I have the original fraps, and will provide to GMs if they require a more thorough examination of what took place. Although, based on the many inconsistencies which can't be replicated, I'd say it's time to reroll. Hopefully a lesson learned, and a warning to others out there tempted by the prospects of cheating to help them in PvP.

[laite]

cheating is bad, noone is in disagreement here. Which is why I have gone through the toruble of letting you know that Lithiuum was there, and then further guiding you through your accusations of photoshop. We showed you where he was present, how your UI which blocks half the screen didnt allow you to see him sink, and now we will educate you on actual ghosting.

As Colgate stated, I do not believe you have any actual experience with ghosting (good for you ). But when a player ghosts they disappear from the screen and appear somewher else, with absolutely 0 speed boost involvement.

You have to keep in mind one very important thing, this is an old ass client. Swimming is notorious for being glitchy from a graphical stand point. The accelerated apperance is something all of us veterans have experienced.

You need to be honest with yourself and admit that at this point in time you being correct has become closely tide up with your pride. Just because we disprove your original argument, and then the follow up argument (photoshop) as well does not mean you should act like those were never your original motives. Admit you were incorrect instead of "hahahha the video is stupid". At that point in time we can continue to guide you through your additional game mechanic misconceptions.

At the end of this you are gonna come out with a spankin new UI and a better understanding of Everquest, and the server will prosper from a prime example of how skills is not hax.

[Tekay]

Originally Posted by laite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cheating is bad, noone is in disagreement here. Which is why I have gone through the toruble of letting you know that Lithiuum was there, and then further guiding you through your accusations of photoshop. We showed you where he was present, how your UI which blocks half the screen didnt allow you to see him sink, and now we will educate you on actual ghosting.

As Colgate stated, I do not believe you have any actual experience with ghosting (good for you ). But when a player ghosts they disappear from the screen and appear somewher else, with absolutely 0 speed boost involvement.

You have to keep in mind one very important thing, this is an old ass client. Swimming is notorious for being glitchy from a graphical stand point. The accelerated apperance is something all of us veterans have experienced.

You need to be honest with yourself and admit that at this point in time you being correct has become closely tide up with your pride. Just because we disprove your original argument, and then the follow up argument (photoshop) as well does not mean you should act like those were never your original motives. Admit you were incorrect instead of "hahahha the video is stupid". At that point in time we can continue to guide you through your additional game mechanic misconceptions.

At the end of this you are gonna come out with a spankin new UI and a better understanding of Everquest, and the server will prosper from a prime example of how skills is not hax.

That's a very patronizing post lite. I will defend my position of what happened. If you want to keep it professional, we can keep it professional. The seriousness of your tone implies that's how you wish to keep things. So let's move this to a closed-discussion with the GM's, if that's how this needs to be handled.

Otherwise, keep promoting this post, and be guilty for your own allegations.

[laite]

Originally Posted by Tekay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a very patronizing post lite. I will defend my position of what happened. If you want to keep it professional, we can keep it professional. The seriousness of your tone implies that's how you wish to keep things. So let's move this to a closed-discussion with the GM's, if that's how this needs to be handled.

Otherwise, keep promoting this post, and be guilty for your own allegations.

I had every intention of keeping this professional, until you came into the thread with LOLZ omg Haxor photoshop!! just to realise you were wrong an hour later. Your attitude towards the matter will have a direct corrilation with how I interact with you.

[Elderan]

Ghosting = intentionally causing network connection loss while moving. This makes you appear to freeze to all others players around. Then appearing at the location the player ran to when the connection is restored. This is normally used to get past mobs without aggroing them. This is how people get past see invis mobs in seb and vp for example.

Screen dragging = While playing in windows mode and running the user clicks and holds the windows form border. This causes the player to appear to continue to run forward to all players within view when in fact they are standing still. When the screen is released the player is at the spot they clicked on the window. This is normally used in PVP to throw someone pursuing you off and works extremely well against melee. The server shows the player running one direction when in fact they are standing still.

This is not ghosting.

However it's clearly screen dragging. The monk is following the shaman. The shaman runs over the water, clicks the windows form border which shows the shaman running towards the wall when in fact they are standing still. The shaman then releases the window and swims down having thrown off the monk.

Sirken has made it clear that ghosting and screen dragging are illegal on this server.

[laite]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Screen dragging = While playing in windows mode and running the user clicks and holds the windows form border. This causes the player to appear to continue to run forward to all players within view when in fact they are standing still. When the screen is released the player is at the spot they clicked on the window. This is normally used in PVP to throw someone pursuing you off and works extremely well against melee. The server shows the player running one direction when in fact they are standing still.

Wrong. On this server the act of screendragging does not make it appear as if the character is continuing to go forward, ghosting is the one that has that effect, which is why when someone is going linkdead you keep seeing them running and then warping back to the anchor point. When a player screendrags their character immidiately disappears and then reappears when the screen is released, the player appears where the character would have been with that continued trajectory. The act of screendragging does not cause the server to stop recieving movement packets, thus the character advances to another location, it does not spawn where it started dragging as you are suggesting.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by laite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong. On this server the act of screendragging does not make it appear as if the character is continuing to go forward. When a player screendrags their character immidiately disappears and then reappears when the screen is released, the player appears where the character would have been with that continued trajectory. The act of screendragging does not cause the server to stop recieving movement packets, thus the character advances to another location, it does not spawn where it started dragging as you are suggesting.

This is wrong, and I will prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Eh...=youtube_gdata

In this video the player clicks on the windows border while running at the stump. The game shows that the player is still running forward. Once the click is released the player shows at the point they started the drag, the stump. There are three examples in the video.

This video shows exactly what the original Salem video shows.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well not entirely in terms of Ghosting, basically the server loses your position and then re-aquires it away from it's original point. Yes usually done from loss of connection. So it can appear like your frozen there or like you teleported away from the spot.

But essentially true!

He definitely was not screen dragging as it appears like he disappeared, but can it be discerned that he was certainly ghosting..No!

Swimming down or up in EQ happens at insane speeds on this server so if he suddenly veered down it could look like he disappeared. I'm not saying he wasn't ghosting for sure because IDK! Just saying that this isn't really a cut and dry clear case from the video.

Watch my example video. If you are following someone and they screen drag it will appear as if they are running forward when in fact they have stopped. Once they stop the dragging they will then poof, when in reality they are behind you. If you are playing 1st person or close 3rd person they would then be out of your view.

This is exactly what happened on the video. He dragged, stopped dragging and then swam down out of Teeks view.

Example screen dragging video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Eh...=youtube_gdata