Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Ravager]

Nice train TMO.

[Karkona]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The initial petition was posted on Monday night and responded to by Sirken on Tuesday. To quote Sirken “I got as far as Chest saying two months. Try to work it out like reasonable human beings.”

This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.



This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

[Antarctica]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

I don't understand how BDA can be labeled "monopolizers" in a zoned with as many mobs as it has when when BDA was on the other size of the zone.

Sugar coat it any way you want, training is illegal. Period. Deal with the monk as appropriate.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Antarctica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand how BDA can be labeled "monopolizers" in a zoned with as many mobs as it has when when BDA was on the other size of the zone.

Sugar coat it any way you want, training is illegal. Period. Deal with the monk as appropriate.

You simply can't monopolize all the spawns of the zone when there is more than one group of people in the zone that sir is the rules. This is also a rule on the server.

The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

BDA needed to communicate and compromise in this situation and the officer that was contacted about it told people to "Fuck off".

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

Ok sure, Chest is evil for being 'unreasonable', now where the punishment for the train?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok sure, Chest is evil for being 'unreasonable', now where the punishment for the train?

The guy is being punished. What is TMO supposed to do outside of handling that when the guy did this on his own accord ? I mean I am all for good will and handing over a mob like Draco but even that is a stretch.

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy is being punished.

How? I want details.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy is being punished. What is TMO supposed to do outside of handling that when the guy did this on his own accord ? I mean I am all for good will and handing over a mob like Draco but even that is a stretch.

That's kinda where I initially was with it. No one walks away happy.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.



This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?

I think it's more that Sirken felt a 2 month raid suspension was an absurd request for this incident, not that he felt that what happened was acceptable.