All these IB RNF's in the last day or so...

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derp

Because FE didn't have an active element in creating TMO. FE did have a large part of creating IB and without FE, Ib likely wouldn't have any ground to stand on right now.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Refused because no way we would have Unbrella as co-leader. I mean we're talking about Unbrella, the guy that trained his own guild on a unguilded monk to make belive it was TMO training them, LAL. or pretty much anyone from FE because:



But TMO (see my signature's links for an update on the history of mutual respect and friendship between FE and TMO) was a better option because.. well because. Unbrella said it was. There. They never were that terrible. Alarti is just a tender heart, and Tiggles ? i always thought he was funny ! And co-leadership is over rated. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Eurasia/TMO has never been the enemy, Estasia/IB always has been !

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BS Unbrella said to Getsome in Vent chat he could choose the co-leader from our officer core. That is all I will add to this to finish. IB while you have great players were in no position to force FE to do anything. We knew that. Getsome didn't. We asked for terms to make it equal and were told raiding together was finished. We sought out another option. Best of luck to IB I hold no grudges with you guys. Just telling the truth here.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

This is true. But it's too simplistic to say we joined TMO for loot. We would have had the same advantaged with IB. We all wanted the merger with IB to happen, but was taken off the table.

I don't follow the logic of some of you. We lost our raid leader. And a week later you think it's okay to take complete advantage of your raiding allies at the negotiating table? What about the months before that? I'm not going to go through and quote people, but I've seen it stated that both guilds were on even footing until Sloan left. You think that makes it fair to try to force uneven terms?

[Hitpoint]

Because TMO had more to offer. Period.

We expected even terms from IB because we were on even footing. There wasn't that expectation when negotiating with tmo. And we were fine with it.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

I meant to quote this for my second paragraph.

[Cecily]

So our merger was kind of a revenge fuck then? That's cool, I get it.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL IB on a high horse? You mean like (officer) Perun using SEQ getting suspended and taken back.
Or Daliant RMT, or Kinsawt and a large portion of your guild RMTing with a staff member.
Oh wait.... gmVirtuosos soulfire heal/recharging on raids, gmCyrius suspending people at his camps gmXzerion using the dev environment to give IB a leg up prior to VP instead of "developing".

Please tell me more about your ethics.

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[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So our merger was kind of a revenge fuck then? That's cool, I get it.

No in the terms Getsome was trying to set and being unreasonable and leaving the talks.. He made the next option a no brainer. If we are basically getting absorbed to build the strongest guild. One that has been respectful and stronger overall is the clear choice.