Noble Dojorn Timers - Page 9

Erati · #1 03-05-2014, 06:29 PM

So are we suppose to contest Noble everyday with this agreement?

The entire reason Taken supported this was to get rid of 100 man click fests we were experiencing.

If there are no ground rules for these extra Noble pops, it will turn back into click fest.

You dont see click fests right now bc the R guilds dont wanna step on each others toes. However this mechanic, without ground rules, has potential to b a daily click fest for anyone who has the timer.

We want to avoid that. We need ground rules, we need structure, we need an agreement or there is none....

Splorf22 · #2 03-05-2014, 08:58 PM

Look, I think we want the same things. My hope is that the server is stable for a few weeks, we get 6 OOAs up and 20+ nobles per week and everyone gets a few on their sky night. Unfortunately, the server has not been stable.

I'm just saying that you (and AG) both seem very upset about things and I'm not sure why. So far a) it hasn't been a clickfest and b) the distribution of nobles seems far more equitable than it was before. And hopefully it will be getting better, not worse. So, honest question, why are you guys so unhappy?

Jesseca · #3 03-05-2014, 10:00 PM

I haven't been around very much, but I believe they are unhappy because another guild decided to come up and kill the mob on their sky nights, while they were there.

bktroost · #4 03-05-2014, 10:27 PM

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I haven't been around very much, but I believe they are unhappy because another guild decided to come up and kill the mob on their sky nights, while they were there.

Here's the thing. I know that I have no desire to derail a sky progression in the middle of the raid because Noble Dojorn popped and we have everyone breaking into island 5. If I knew that the Noble was uncontested because he popped during my guild's time slot then I could keep doing what I want and have someone pull him when things calm down. The guild's that I have spoken with also don't want to be forced to keep a person sitting on 1.5 all night with the goal of clickfesting or even snipe preventing to ensure they get the Noble that popped during their guild's night.

If we get more nobles... 100,000 more nobles... but get sniped everytime because we don't desire being forced into contesting other guild's snipe attempts then how does that benefit anyone but the guild's doing the sniping?

No one wants a clickfest--agreed. But it seems some people want straight FFA for every noble pop ever and, I don't think its that hard to believe, some class R guilds don't want that. No one wants to be jumped or steamrolled and honestly I just don't think its fun to steamroll other people. Its a game to me and I think playing rudely, regardless of a lack of rule clarification, is just plainly not fun.

**EDIT: Splorf, your count doesn't go far back enough to when they first started popping. There were 3 tmo snipes that happened pretty much in a row. I have nothing against tmo directly, they just happened to be the ones who made it apparent that we need some clarification on how these are being handled. I just want a solid agreement as to what we all understand the system to be. I personally think that the current one is not friendly to all playstyles. I want to keep the OOAs up, but if half of us arn't collecting on "Free Parking" and the other half are (monopoly reference) then we need to pull out the rule book.

bktroost · #5 03-06-2014, 10:31 AM

So if we can talk constructively for a moment, I don't see why "if Noble pops during your time slot" is a bad plan. The argument that there are multiple people in sky on any given day was said. The hole in that argument is that we break up Sky days by morning, evenging ect. So if, for example, Noble pops on Saturday between 8am est and 4pm est then he belongs to FE. If he pops between 4pm est and 12 midnight then he belongs to AG because those are the time that those 2 guilds are in Sky... however, what if he pops at 4am or some really off hour? Well it seems to me that it would be a lot easier to create a spreadsheet with the hours of every day broken down to an exactness and split up for the guilds in sky than to have Rogean change his script to allow for Nobles.

If we can figure out an exact chunk of time and give that to each guild it would be a good starting place. Then of course what happens if your time slot ends at...say...4am and he pops at 3:58am. How long do you have to engage before the Guilds that starts at 4am can have him?

Or do we make it even more simple and just say he can only be killed by the guild in that time slot regardless of when he pops... and of course, should an actual fight cross over into another guild's time slot, KSing would be prohibited.

I just want to keep throwing out ideas until one sticks.

Splorf22 · #6 03-07-2014, 01:32 AM

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So if we can talk constructively for a moment, I don't see why "if Noble pops during your time slot" is a bad plan.

I think it's a fine plan.

williestargell · #7 03-09-2014, 03:38 PM

Taken's been saying for two weeks that if everyone hasn't agreed, then there is no agreement to leave Noble to the person's sky day.

TMO hasn't agreed so there's no agreement. We're not going to pass on them either when they're being killed on our night.

-Catherin- · #8 03-09-2014, 03:41 PM

Taken is more than willing to follow a noble agreement, but there needs to be one first. We already got sniped trying to follow an agreement everyone was not on board with.

Maybe this will help us actually get an agreement in place.

Everyone is always okay with things going on until it effects them

Splorf22 · #9 03-09-2014, 03:51 PM

I am fine with either, really, although I can't see The A-team winning any poopsocking wars. I just find your position hypocritical. In practice, everyone has been leaving them up for the past 2+ weeks except for you guys (twice now).

I'm quite curious to see how BDA and Nemce and such respond.

-Catherin- · #10 03-09-2014, 03:56 PM

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I am fine with either, really, although I can't see The A-team winning any poopsocking wars. I just find your position hypocritical. In practice, everyone has been leaving them up for the past 2+ weeks except for you guys (twice now).

I'm quite curious to see how BDA and Nemce and such respond.

im sure azure guard disagrees. Loraen you havnt been very outspoken about this at all until it effects you. that is hypocritical in itself.

you cant expect anyone to follow an agreement that people havnt agreed to. We tried to do this already and we got burned. We still would like to, but something concrete needs to be discussed.