Re: Raid Situation

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many mobs do tier 2 guilds rotate between under the repop agreement ?

How many would they get under div Rogean plan?

Anyone do the per month math yet ?

Dolic

so let's do some back of the envelope math

before the banhammer came down on TMO the usual mob distribution was something like 80-90% for the hardcore guilds, Taken was socking to snag Innys, BDA was DOMINATING Vox (lol) and we'd maybe snag a target here or there. No other tier2 guilds were getting anything. Let's call that pool of mobs X

The Rogean plan was to split X mobs 50/50 between the tiers and any mobs that spawned from the additional repops would retain their tier assignments, so each tier gets 50% of X and most likely 50% of Y based on when the spawns fall

The plan that was enacted was pure FFA for the pool of X so that meant 80-90% for the hardcore crowd, and the tiers were basically splitting the pool of Y mobs (repops) down the middle. So 80-90% of pool X, and half of pool Y for the hardcores, and half of pool Y for the casuals.

I think that's a pretty close representation of how the math plays out

[Fazlazen]

haha, the casual scum are given 2 full repops a month, yet still complain.

Once again, props rogain!

[gloine36]

Put in instancing and end the problem. Those that don't like it can go to the store and select the cheese and crackers they prefer.

[feanan]

It's funny how this whole thing started because TMO is full of selfish, cheating, RMT'ing duping douche bags.

Yet every thread I read with TMO tears is them trying to blame everything on BDA.

Perhaps TMO should have tried making the server a better place in the 2 years they were on top instead of being forced in to it.

[quido]

Originally Posted by feanan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's funny how this whole thing started because TMO is full of selfish, cheating, RMT'ing duping douche bags.

Yet every thread I read with TMO tears is them trying to blame everything on BDA.

Perhaps TMO should have tried making the server a better place in the 2 years they were on top instead of being forced in to it.

You're confusing two different things, ya moran. BDA stands accused of being unnecessarily obstinate in the discussions, not of causing whatever problems before these negotiations.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're confusing two different things, ya moran. BDA stands accused of being unnecessarily obstinate in the discussions, not of causing whatever problems before these negotiations.

Lets be fair here while you're busy spinning this against BDA...

Here is the proposal that seven (including BDA) out of the nine guilds threw their support behind:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=133458

Who was being unnecessarily obstinate in that thread? To the point of trolling Rogean into locking the thread for his own proposal?

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by SyanideGas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A gold bar you shit is worth 0.

What.

Okay maybe the silly analogy didn't come across well. The point is if the raid agreement was great, why does it matter how it came about?

The raid agreement was different than what people were discussing because it involved simulated repops, which everyone thought were off the table. GMs agreed to simulated repops, which was a major concession.

[slappytwotoes]

This is what happened from what I gather:

1. Talks were centered around a modified Rogean proposal that is being called the 1+1+1 Plan.

2. After the third hour, each group separated to work things out amongst themselves. T1 went into their own chat room, T2 to theirs and the Staff to theirs.

3. T2 finished in 15 minutes. T1 took 40minutes and Server staff jumped into their chat room for a good part of it.

4. Server staff comes out and announces that the plan we just had (I'll call it Sirken's plan) will be the definitive plan.

T2 guilds were pissed because that plan was not negotiated. They had just spent hours negotiating with the 1+1+1 plan as their baseline only to be dictated to that Sirken's new plan was the final decision.

My *guess* is that T1 was not going to capitulate to the 1+1+1 Plan and told Staff so. The Sirken Plan was then decided on so an agreement could be reached and raiding would continue.

T2 felt that coming to this decision without themselves present and also ending discussions at this point was an egregious breach of good faith. PMs went out to Rogean and it seems he agreed.

Welcome to Square 1

[Tecmos Deception]

I'll take your assgold, Byrjun, even though I called you a know-it-all.

[Brut]

So forget all the pie slicing and fairness and whatnot, what really matters here is that some bloated egos were hurt?