Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people either have less desire or less ability or both, so don't go blaming others that you cannot get anything done currently, cause I know damn well basically nobody is trying.

Hey welcome to the discussion. I invite you to actually read the thread and post with an understanding of what has already been said in the posts.

I do not desire to poopsock as it is not in the spirit of the game. Racing and mobilization is. I have the ability...but with ability you must then give up your opinion on the other aspect to do anything about it.

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I guess keeping a force of 15+ in a zone for days doesn't constitute as time invested? Time we could be using to play our characters and get rich/have high-level fun, but instead we sacrifice this time in order to get chances at the best loot in the game. No, its not fun, but its what we must do to get what we desire most.

You people either have less desire or less ability or both, so don't go blaming others that you cannot get anything done currently, cause I know damn well basically nobody is trying.

rotation < poopsocking < first to engage

Less Ability. I lol'ed

[Buhbuh]

I'd personally call 15 people sitting, literally doing nothing in a zone for days people who forgot to actually play the game that they're logged into. =p That'd be like watching the stock market rise and fall but less exciting.

[Skope]

Sorry, but somehow the argument of the person who plays EQ the least gets to reap the most benefit just doesn't jive with me, and I don't think I'm in the minority.

[Humwawa]

Why turn this into a crusade? If this was a politically-bent rotation server, there'd be rabid outcries from folks that their vision of EQ involves heated, drama-infused races to engage a boss before their rival. I'm sure there'd be a similar argument behind FFA servers - a FFA server can dominate content just like a political server, and are those complaints valid?

It's not my job to propose a change to the system - I'm not an officer, and my own personal views on the subject should be well known by now, and they've been known to my guild's leadership for months now.

It is your job to propose change instead of merely insulting the parties involved. Your zealotry gets us nowhere.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why turn this into a crusade? If this was a politically-bent rotation server, there'd be rabid outcries from folks that their vision of EQ involves heated, drama-infused races to engage a boss before their rival. I'm sure there'd be a similar argument behind FFA servers - a FFA server can dominate content just like a political server, and are those complaints valid?

It's not my job to propose a change to the system - I'm not an officer, and my own personal views on the subject should be well known by now, and they've been known to my guild's leadership for months now.

It is your job to propose change instead of merely insulting the parties involved. Your zealotry gets us nowhere.

Sorry, but your guild's complete disregard for open conversation and unwillingness to see a resolution at all is a point of discussion and has been for months now, you need only look at the post above you to confirm that.

I don't want to complain, I actually proposed things and gave input, but when it's guild policy to say "screw that, we don't care" then it's ultimately the guild's demeanor itself becomes a matter of discussion.

[Humwawa]

Then I suppose the entire purpose of this thread is simply to complain, yes? That isn't at all the purpose of this thread, by the way. I'll say it again - Supreme is trying to change the way end-game raiding works. That's the point. The entire point. You're just trolling the crap out of DA, and I'm sure that's getting you somewhere.

Also, not one DA officer has yet to post here. I'm sure they will.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but your guild's complete disregard for open conversation and unwillingness to see a resolution at all is a point of discussion and has been for months now, you need only look at the post above you to confirm that.

Ask Ektar, or Xzerion about "[his] guild's complete disregard for open conversation and unwillingness to see a resolution... etc"... I think they'd disagree. You really have no idea what you're talking about guy.

Originally Posted by Wrei

All sorts of stuff

I'll tell you exactly what I've told other people. No one is forcing anyone to camp mobs. Let me emphasis this - YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, STOP BLAMING US. Our actions should not dictate yours. Just because we are willing to afk 15 players in a zone, doesn't mean that you have to aswell. You guys make the decision to camp, just as we do. I'm so sick of hearing people blame DA for camping... am I the only one who realizes how ridiculous it is for an entire group of people to say that they do something they hate only because another group of people is doing that thing as well?

ITT A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THINGS THEY KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT.

[logiktrip]

Let's just bring on the SZ rules and be done with it - no gm intervention.

Nothing is going to compete with guilds who have learned to work around the safeguards made in a different time on the server. That's why the rules have to be expandable enough to provide for additional guilds. Until that happens history is going to continue repeating itself. Both DA and IB are going to have to give some ground, and neither seem willing to do that in any official manner.

[Buhbuh]

The way I see it, currently, with only old-world there's bound to be a pretty nasty discourse on the subject of getting raid mobs, especially considering that there's like 5 targets to choose from: Phinny, Inny, CT, golems, hate mini's, Nag, Vox. Kunark presents a lot more diversity, especially on a class to class basis (epics mini raids).

I will say that I generally lean toward the PvP solution and the best way to contest/ ultimately settle something is...I think you get where I'm going. Those battles are always good memories between people and always hours long, but someone gets the mob. =p