"Porting for donations"...a little selfish?

[Furniture]

i hope you realize that you have not justified yourself for being a scumbag ripping people off in any way

[Jingleson]

Originally Posted by Furniture [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i hope you realize that you have not justified yourself for being a scumbag ripping people off in any way

Right, because masking a mandatory fee as a "donation" is in no way being a scumbag.

[Conky]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't want to port people for peanuts, don't play a Druid/Wizard.

I dont have to port anyone if I play a druid/wizard, I can if I want to, I dont have to.

[Vosooth316]

Originally Posted by Furniture [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i hope you realize that you have not justified yourself for being a scumbag ripping people off in any way

I agree. This guy jingleson is the exact type of player you DONT want running around Norrath. People with a deceitful mindset like that are not good for a community.

[Vosooth316]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, because masking a mandatory fee as a "donation" is in no way being a scumbag.

People are not treating their advertisements like a paper they are writing for college. Could you be anymore of a homo?

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I call out bullshit when I see it.

You're attempting to get into a semantics debate over a word but missing the structure of the sentence. A donation is a gift, or contribution. It's some application of wealth to a person, cause or institution--wealth as measured by time, goods or money. In this case, it's money.

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)

Your semantic argument is focusing on just the word. Why? Did the porter come up to you and say "Donation" thirty times without any context? No? Then it's not implied that it's optional.

The only thing you could imply that's optional is the amount. Which is why the word "donation" is used, because the amount fluctuates depending on the means of the person taking advantage of the service. There are a lot of factors that can affect how much you should pay for a port (Traffic of the port area, level, money, on a CR ect)--requiring a "donation" simply makes it easier for the price to be appropriate depending on the person transported, rather than haggling for every pick up.

The fact is, donations have been used by institutions for 500+ years as a way to ask for payment on a service that can't be fixed due to a myriad number of reasons.

[susvain0362]

Originally Posted by Lithose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're attempting to get into a semantics debate over a word but missing the structure of the sentence. A donation is a gift, or contribution. It's some application of wealth to a person, cause or institution--wealth as measured by time, goods or money. In this case, it's money.

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)

Your semantic argument is focusing on just the word. Why? Did the porter come up to you and say "Donation" thirty times without any context? No? Then it's not implied that it's optional.

The only thing you could imply that's optional is the amount. Which is why the word "donation" is used, because the amount fluctuates depending on the means of the person taking advantage of the service. There are a lot of factors that can affect how much you should pay for a port (Traffic of the port area, level, money, on a CR ect)--requiring a "donation" simply makes it easier for the price to be appropriate depending on the person transported, rather than haggling for every pick up.

The fact is, donations have been used by institutions for 500+ years as a way to ask for payment on a service that can't be fixed due to a myriad number of reasons.

Thank you for saying what everyone was thinking. You did it very well done

[justin2090]

Everybody who has played a porter has been stiffed by the portee. I was donated 100 gold pieces for a evac to EJ once. I didn't care about the donation but the guy was an epic'd shaman.

He tipped me an EVEN number of gold pieces. Gold pieces a fuckin side, how do you hold on to that last bit of gold pieces and only tip 100?

100 gold pieces for an evac is a joke. I have to stop what I'm doing to run all the way to KC and this greedy bastard tips me gold? And not even all of it? On that day I decided I'm not porting until the tip is in the trade window (retired porter btw and free guild ports always).

And that's my advice to every porter. Sit until they tip. Hell, I may only have 83pp on my character but I'll tip 50p for a port. Because that's just what you do. When a homeless guy comes to your car at red light and scrubs your windshield clean you don't just drive off. You give the man a tip and go on about your business. And not some "all your pennies in the cup holder" tip. You pull out your wallet and tip the guy for his services. It's just that simple.

[Jingleson]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everybody who has played a porter has been stiffed by the portee. I was donated 100 gold pieces for a evac to EJ once. I didn't care about the donation but the guy was an epic'd shaman.

He tipped me an EVEN number of gold pieces. Gold pieces a fuckin side, how do you hold on to that last bit of gold pieces and only tip 100?

100 gold pieces for an evac is a joke. I have to stop what I'm doing to run all the way to KC and this greedy bastard tips me gold? And not even all of it? On that day I decided I'm not porting until the tip is in the trade window (retired porter btw and free guild ports always).

And that's my advice to every porter. Sit until they tip. Hell, I may only have 83pp on my character but I'll tip 50p for a port. Because that's just what you do. When a homeless guy comes to your car at red light and scrubs your windshield clean you don't just drive off. You give the man a tip and go on about your business. And not some "all your pennies in the cup holder" tip. You pull out your wallet and tip the guy for his services. It's just that simple.

No, you tell the guy to get a job and drive off.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Lithose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)

And this statement pretty much ends the discussion.