Best one sentence summation of how I feel, ever.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by K|mm Barely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Diderot was one of the "philosophe's" of French enlightenment, but it was more a term of art than an actual description. Diderot was actually more of a cultural critic and plain old scholar, than a philosopher.

just sayin

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

motorhead > megadeth

this is true

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how it's possible you can think that God doesn't exist. Finite things can't just make themselves. Everything that has a beginning, has to have a creator. The Universe had a beginning, therefor it and everything in it has a creator. This should be basic 1st grade level logic.

The cosmological argument does not necessitate a god. It simply requires a First Cause. The big bang theory provides a First Cause, because in the absence of any form of dimensionality, the concept of something happening "before" is meaningless. Before time exists, causality can't exist.

God is always exempt from having a prior cause because he's not 'finite'. But the universe need not be finite either: perhaps the 'birth' of our universe rose from the 'death' of a previous, possibly identical universe. If such a cycle were infinite, it would be exempt from requiring a prior cause just like God.

What would it take to convince you that the claims of any one of the other thousands of religions that have existed or will exist is actually true? You would require PROOF. Does your own religion truly meet that burden of proof?

[pharmakos]

hell i'm barely even sure i exist

[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The cosmological argument does not necessitate a god. It simply requires a First Cause. The big bang theory provides a First Cause, because in the absence of any form of dimensionality, the concept of something happening "before" is meaningless. Before time exists, causality can't exist.

God is always exempt from having a prior cause because he's not 'finite'. But the universe need not be finite either: perhaps the 'birth' of our universe rose from the 'death' of a previous, possibly identical universe. If such a cycle were infinite, it would be exempt from requiring a prior cause just like God.

What would it take to convince you that the claims of any one of the other thousands of religions that have existed or will exist is actually true? You would require PROOF. Does your own religion truly meet that burden of proof?

Of course it necessitates a God. Only consciousness can create things. The big bang itself can't be the cause. Someone would have to trigger it just like a gun won't ever fire if nobody is there to pull it's trigger. Consciousness is the only possible logical cause for existence. Even if you were to suggest the cycle of the big bang were infinite, the first one would still had to have been caused by a conscious being.

Also, it doesn't matter how many religions there have been, there is still only one true God. The "gods" of ancient times aren't the same as God as they to are the children of the same one true God. All of the so called "gods" are the fallen angels and the Nephilim offspring they produced, they weren't actually made up characters but beings that actually existed and walked the Earth. However, Jesus proved his father is the one true God when he was raised from the dead as well as a plethora of other miracles.

Aside from the Bible there is also plenty of scientific proof that God exists the best of which is the discovery of DNA. Only a conscious being of unimaginable intelligence could create something such as DNA which is really just an ultra complex biomechanical computer capable of creating living organisms. It's written in a specific chemical language with it's own alphabet. At some point someone would have had to define this alphabet as inanimate matter is incapable of doing so.

You wouldn't go to some ancient temple, see a bunch of hieroglyph's and think "hmm cool natural formation!". No, it's obvious that someone created it. The only difference between those hieroglyph's and DNA is that DNA is much smaller and harder to see and far more advanced.

[pharmakos]

i do have faith that god exists, but none of that^ is proof

i can offer no conclusive proof, only intuition.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what are the odds that consciousness would arise within a purely deterministic universe?

100%

[pharmakos]

it was a rhetorical question -- no one knows for sure.

[God]

Hey, I exist you fuckers.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course it necessitates a God. Only consciousness can create things. The big bang itself can't be the cause. Someone would have to trigger it just like a gun won't ever fire if nobody is there to pull it's trigger. Consciousness is the only possible logical cause for existence. Even if you were to suggest the cycle of the big bang were infinite, the first one would still had to have been caused by a conscious being.

Also, it doesn't matter how many religions there have been, there is still only one true God. The "gods" of ancient times aren't the same as God as they to are the children of the same one true God. All of the so called "gods" are the fallen angels and the Nephilim offspring they produced, they weren't actually made up characters but beings that actually existed and walked the Earth. However, Jesus proved his father is the one true God when he was raised from the dead as well as a plethora of other miracles.

Aside from the Bible there is also plenty of scientific proof that God exists the best of which is the discovery of DNA. Only a conscious being of unimaginable intelligence could create something such as DNA which is really just an ultra complex biomechanical computer capable of creating living organisms. It's written in a specific chemical language with it's own alphabet. At some point someone would have had to define this alphabet as inanimate matter is incapable of doing so.

You wouldn't go to some ancient temple, see a bunch of hieroglyph's and think "hmm cool natural formation!". No, it's obvious that someone created it. The only difference between those hieroglyph's and DNA is that DNA is much smaller and harder to see and far more advanced.

I already answered the physics things. Time is not linear, and before time there can be no causality, so requiring something something to have set off the big bang makes no sense.

Neither the bible nor DNA are evidence that God exists. If God wrote or inspired the writing of the bible, why is it so damn wrong or awful at nearly every page? Why is the bible's most important character a blatant ripoff of a preceding pagan god? Why does it blatantly encourage rape, slavery, prejudice, and genocide? You don't have to cherry-pick verses to make the bible sound flat out evil, but you have to ignore large sections to make it seem good.

And DNA isn't just some hieroglyphic text to be admired. It evolves! Evidence of the power of evolution is abundant: within written history we've bread milk cows capable of producing 10,000 L per year, all the various breeds of dogs are descendents of wolves, corn was domesticated from 3 inch long ears of maize, brewing yeast tolerate alcohol concentrations near 20%, fruits and vegetables are larger and more uniformly and brightly colored than they were centuries ago. These are the purposeful and deliberate products of human intervention on evolution. Over a couple billion years it is absolutely feasible that simple molecular self-regulators led to the first lifeforms.