Velious plz

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.

And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple. Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.

If the devs have 10 people at their disposal and had all of them working on Velious then one day one of the higher ups decides to get some more volunteers so he can start a new project. Well, that one higher up is taken away from Velious for whatever amount of time it took to get that started. And if you are going to go look for volunteers for something...it should be for Velious. Nothing else.

Am i being an ass about this? Yes. Im just simply saying that when the devs say that the new pvp server doent affect Velious it isnt quite true. It does on some level.

Personally i dont care when Velious comes out. Im just pointing out the fact that things arent quite as they seem.

You demonstrate a clear lack of understanding about the current staff status and definable lack of knowledge about what the pvp staff is actually "devving" what skills they have that they might use on velious... if they had the desire.

[Alecta]

The World According To Vidar

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[Spitty]

So much delayed.

[Vidar]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's unbelievable that you live in a world where you think people will take you seriously given the content of what you're posting. You have no qualifying skills that give you the ability to armchair-manage a collection of dead newts, let alone talented programmers and developers.

The likely holdup with Velious is the tedious grunt-work done at the line level by those with programming talent. Those who oversee the project, those with administrative talent, literally can't do anything of value for Velious until tasks at that level are completed.

So, say Administrator A is waiting on a list of ten tasks from his developers before he goes in, does some validation and signs off on the work done. This administrator can do ANYTHING ON THE FUCKING PLANET that he wants without impeding on the best-case progress with Velious. He could go get shitfaced in Vegas, or look into a team PVP server. It doesn't matter. His time doesn't come into play until those ten tasks are completed, at which point a good administrator would validate the work and identify the next set of deliverables.

Plus, are you seriously suggesting he turn away a volunteer programmer that expresses interest in a team PVP environment just because there's another project at hand? What if this developer gets two weeks into team PVP and decides hey, Velious sounds more fun? You're the kind of person that might be able to recognize talent, but have absolutely no idea what to do with it. If you worked for my company and I found out you turned down a goldmine of programming ability simply because they didn't initially express interest on working on your pet project, I would fire your ass so hard you wouldn't find a job in a related sector for decades.

Story short, you want Velious but have no idea how to get it. That doesn't give you any right to boss around those who do know how to get Velious up and running. I've done workforce management for large companies under the directive that Project B needs to be completed but can, in no way, impede on Project A. There's no "things aren't what they seem" in this scenario - if hours aren't adding up and projects aren't moving according to cycle and deadline constraints, people (me) get fired and companies lose huge contracts.

It would help if you'd realize that your level of intellect isn't a concrete ceiling for human intelligence, and people find plenty of creative and executable ways to manage multiple projects congruently. Instead, you seem to be assuming that your worldview is the end-all of "How Things Are" and not only does that totally fuck up your own chances for personal progress and positive change, but makes you dead weight to any situation requiring creative solutions to achieve success.

You are missing my point. Admin A 'Could' actively look for more programmers for the Velious Project instead of turning his attention to a pvp server or getting shitfaced in vegas or ANYWHERE else. I am not saying he should. Im just saying that it is something that he could do if said Admin chose to that would eventually, no matter how little, move the Velious project forward. Am i saying this is the BEST way to do things all around? No. I'm just saying the statement that new red doesn't take away from velious isn't true. It will even if a tad.

And, it seems i need to point this out, again. I haven't said that the devs SHOULD do anything.

Now if we get on the topic of whether New red should or shouldnt be ... thats a different story.

[Vidar]

Originally Posted by Alecta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lol

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are missing my point.

I don't think I am. You would be very hard-pressed to convince me, in this situation, that the recruitment example you gave is a viable option.

Where would he solicit unpaid labor from? Would that labor be valuable, or detrimental to the project? How much time would the existing dev pool need to spend to get the new talent up to speed and on board with how the code and Velious progression is structured? Furthermore, does the image of Project 1999 as a whole suffer if the administrator of the project itself is posting on fanboards, enthusiast forums, etc. trying to solicit free help? What is the risk involved of bringing on a batch of new programmers that may or may not have the project's best intentions in mind? What good are four new programmers when one of them irreversibly wrecks the code in order to promote their own emu server?

This is just 30 seconds of brainstorming on why outbound recruiting options simply don't work for this kind of situation. It's a bit like high-end raiding; the best guilds get there because talent approaches them for membership, not because they're spamming EC looking for bodies.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.

And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple. Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.

If the devs have 10 people at their disposal and had all of them working on Velious then one day one of the higher ups decides to get some more volunteers so he can start a new project. Well, that one higher up is taken away from Velious for whatever amount of time it took to get that started. And if you are going to go look for volunteers for something...it should be for Velious. Nothing else.

Am i being an ass about this? Yes.

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, it seems i need to point this out, again. I haven't said that the devs SHOULD do anything.

got credibility?

[Vidar]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think I am. You would be very hard-pressed to convince me, in this situation, that the recruitment example you gave is a viable option.

Where would he solicit unpaid labor from? Would that labor be valuable, or detrimental to the project? How much time would the existing dev pool need to spend to get the new talent up to speed and on board with how the code and Velious progression is structured? Furthermore, does the image of Project 1999 as a whole suffer if the administrator of the project itself is posting on fanboards, enthusiast forums, etc. trying to solicit free help? What is the risk involved of bringing on a batch of new programmers that may or may not have the project's best intentions in mind? What good are four new programmers when one of them irreversibly wrecks the code in order to promote their own emu server?

This is just 30 seconds of brainstorming on why outbound recruiting options simply don't work for this kind of situation. It's a bit like high-end raiding; the best guilds get there because talent approaches them for membership, not because they're spamming EC looking for bodies.

They already have volunteers. Tell them they can work on New Red after they work on Velious a bit or after its done. Will they all go for it? No, but some will. And would it be a risk letting in new people...yes, but it is a possibility. Where there is a will there is a way.

[webrunner5]

This thread proves how F'ed up P1999 has become. Both game wise and forum wise. I will probably get banned for saying it but what the hell. It is the truth. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

outbound recruiting options simply don't work for this kind of situation. not because they're spamming EC looking for bodies.

But that's how Toop recruited devs for The Sleeper server, and he's doing alrigh.....wait a second...