No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a few seconds of work every 30min while I chugged out work/school related things is a waste of time? I'd rather solo a camp for a 10sec/1hr than constantly kill in a duo at freeti/fungi.

Honestly, netting ~40k a day for the actual time invested of minutes is pretty lucrative.

But you're not spending 10sec/1hr selling 5-6 rings a day.

[Swish]

Good luck with this "debate"

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[runlvlzero]

PvP in red in OT

[Edame]

^ This guy needs to chill.

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, I found it. Thanks.

We need our 'Server Rules' post updated if one GM is going to change the server rules and expect everybody to have seen the post he made at some point. Because isn't Sirkin basically saying, 'If you don't see any mobs around and spot a bard with a HUGE train, just petition, as that bard is breaking the rules of monopolizing a zone'.

Am I missing something? It seems like it would be extremely hard to enforce the 'monopolizing zones' rule. This just goes against what is established as the rules and even against what many people here seem to believe the rules are. The fact is, the server rules specifically state that you can't claim outdoor roaming mobs and there is no mention of 'monopolizing zones' which seems difficult to even prove. I personally can't check on all mobs to see if they are ALL up at any given time. It takes time to run to the other side of the zone and see if those mobs are even up. I just don't quite get how we, as players, can determine when a zone is 'monopolized'.

As I said above, I can only interpret the rules as saying 'start petitioning anytime there aren't mobs to pull near you and you see a bard kiting in a zone'. It just seems like 'when is a zone monopolized' is a difficult question for both player and GM to answer.

It would be a messy rule, but I think this whole issue needs to be addressed by the staff with a clear outline on what is and isn't allowed.

The only thing that is annoying to me is when Bards grief entire newbie zones just to power level people for money. Here is an example: A Bard pulled the entire zone of Field of Bone all day to power-level someone. I do question whether this kind of zone disruption should be allowed in a purely newbie zone. Maybe make exceptions where Bard zones like Overthere and South Karana are OK to do it? I don't know, I'm just saying what I think might be fairest to everyone involved, not what the rules currently are or necessarily should be.

[kenzar]

I dont understand where you get the impression that im some how emotionally invested in this. Let me be clear, i dont have or ever had a bard. Im just an advocate for those whose right to play within the rules is being trounced on. If a gm were to rule against it right now it would effect me none.

Besides, the "no monopolizing" ruling all of you are refrencing is in regards to indoor zones with static spawns. Something the existing ruleset is already clear about. OT is an outdoor zone with dynamic spawns and the existing rules are clear anout that. Its fte, plain and simple

[susvain0362]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT: For those saying go elsewhere, as addressed to another poster later in this thread. It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over. Also just finding a capable pug group with the right classes is harder. Have you tried grouping in a dungeon without a snarer, it is harder for everyone. Other factors include waiting for hours to get a open spot in the lesser camp spots in these dungeons, which for most players isn't fun so why wait when you can get genuinely good exp for low risk in places like OT? Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about. I play for fun, and so do others.

Overthere - Bards mass kite tons of mobs we get it, fine good for you bards. Except one problem here. OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here. But as I said in my title I have no problem with bards and their kiting mass amounts until tonight in OT. Non-bard players have a few spots where we exp at and they are the
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Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

[thieros]

Originally Posted by susvain0362 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

thats how the non lazy do it. i leveled my SK in this fashion in solb for fantastic exp. just takes a little tell work but when you arent the most desirable class due to exp penalty whiners you resort to this then you dont run into shitty situations like OP. moral of the story, if you arent lazy (eq isnt for the lazy mmo player) you shouldnt have any problems gettings groups together. just be the one to make it happen!

[Ravager]

On all of the toons I have played, past and present, I have never had trouble putting together a pickup group for Sol A when I wanted it. Both Sol A and Sol B may well be the easiest dungeons to build a pickup group for, in fact, due to their proximity to EC. Just send tells to everyone in your group range whether they are lfg or not.

Just because there's always someone camping Kindle, doesn't mean there aren't 200 other mobs in the zone you can exp off of that still drop way better loot, die faster and give better exp than anything you'll find in OT.

Furthermore, get your ass in a dungeon before you wipe my groups in Seb because you don't know how to fight in a dungeon. Let the bards have shitty OT.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by susvain0362 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lolwhat? I went from 20-48 leveling everyday as a rogue and a paladin in DUNGEON groups only. Its this really hard concept called START YOUR OWN GROUP. I did uguk, MM, Highkeep, Unrest, (some FM giant) CoM and SolB. Everyday im in a great spot in a dungeon. Its the only way to level. Id quit the game if i was joining groups in outdoor zones like in OT.

Its very difficult. Here are the hard steps.

1. Zone into solb and ask camp check
2. Notice either royals or bugs or window is open. ALWAYS one or two of those camps open.
3. /who (x-class) 44 48
4. /tell (x-player) wanna join a solb royals group?
5. Repeat with the classes you want.
6. Usually you can have a full group or atleast 4 people to start clearing with in 5 to 6mins.

Very hard for bad players like the OP. People hangin around in EC are always down to join groups especially in good spots in dungeons. Most people wont do this, theyd rather spend 3hours on a stupid thread like this. If its not unrest house, uguk scryer or warden, mistmoore pond/gy/castle, or highkeep goblins or COM or solb, i wouldnt bother exping.


TLDR OP is very bad. I would say lazy but he made this post when he could of had a full group at mistmoore castle already.

I'm impressed, 20-48 in a day, 3 hell levels yikes. I can say that I was one of those bards albeit a year ago that did the 'aoe' kiting in OT, yes, it's not called swarm kiting but aoe kiting.... I can definitely agree that it's monopolizing the zone. There's only about 150-160 mobs that are within con range from 32-48 there and I was pulling them all. However I preferred to do it in the early early AM when nobody was on. I don't think you guys really understand until you're competing against other bards aoe kiting just like you, it's competition at that point between the bards which leave the soloers dead in the water. Minyin, hate to say it but you seem far to invested in this thread and you may want to take a step back and calm down. If a mage/druid/wizard/warrior/sk/necro wants to level in OT let them level in OT with plenty of mobs, shits classic, who gives a fcuk if the xp isn't as great as dungeons, getting a group to go to kaesora is hard as hell and when someone needs to leave an hour after you get there???? Yeah, goodluck getting someone to spend an hour on travel time to get there..... Mistmoore is usually always camped either by a duo at pond that doesn't want to let anyone else into party or it's being held by a group. Over the years I've been playing here I have made it to 60 with every class but one which I'm working on now and I can honestly say that it's a bit different now than with the previous chars. There is a decent amount of new players at low levels along with returning players between the 15-35 range so things are camped more than they were when some of you higher folk leveled up. Play nice, don't be a dick because people like me have no problem ruining your day with a root or a simple logging on a monk char to accidentally have to zone/FD a few mobs.

[susvain0362]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm impressed, 20-48 in a day, 3 hell levels yikes. I can say that I was one of those bards albeit a year ago that did the 'aoe' kiting in OT, yes, it's not called swarm kiting but aoe kiting.... I can definitely agree that it's monopolizing the zone. There's only about 150-160 mobs that are within con range from 32-48 there and I was pulling them all. However I preferred to do it in the early early AM when nobody was on. I don't think you guys really understand until you're competing against other bards aoe kiting just like you, it's competition at that point between the bards which leave the soloers dead in the water. Minyin, hate to say it but you seem far to invested in this thread and you may want to take a step back and calm down. If a mage/druid/wizard/warrior/sk/necro wants to level in OT let them level in OT with plenty of mobs, shits classic, who gives a fcuk if the xp isn't as great as dungeons, getting a group to go to kaesora is hard as hell and when someone needs to leave an hour after you get there???? Yeah, goodluck getting someone to spend an hour on travel time to get there..... Mistmoore is usually always camped either by a duo at pond that doesn't want to let anyone else into party or it's being held by a group. Over the years I've been playing here I have made it to 60 with every class but one which I'm working on now and I can honestly say that it's a bit different now than with the previous chars. There is a decent amount of new players at low levels along with returning players between the 15-35 range so things are camped more than they were when some of you higher folk leveled up. Play nice, don't be a dick because people like me have no problem ruining your day with a root or a simple logging on a monk char to accidentally have to zone/FD a few mobs.

Woh woh. This wasnt in one day. Im saying all that leveling was spread out, but i did dungeons in everyday. It was a rogue grouping