A Word of Warning to the New (and Naive)

[Systolic]

My logic is that if they are trying to stop cheaters, and they have determined that SOMEONE is a cheater.. they banned one single account related to cheating and whoever of the people involved was cheating is still able to have access to the game... and I took the brunt of it despite the fact that I did nothing wrong within the game, despite whatever ambiguous rule is in place about enforcing the sale of accounts, and the person who committed the crime so to speak is still out in the wild.

What happened to me is the equivalent of being arrested for being on camera when someone else robbed a grocery store.

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Systolic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My logic is that if they are trying to stop cheaters, and they have determined that SOMEONE is a cheater.. they banned one single account related to cheating and whoever of the people involved was cheating is still able to have access to the game... and I took the brunt of it despite the fact that I did nothing wrong within the game, despite whatever ambiguous rule is in place about enforcing the sale of accounts, and the person who committed the crime so to speak is still out in the wild.

What happened to me is the equivalent of being arrested for being on camera when someone else robbed a grocery store.

This is honestly a very good point and distinction worth bringing up. That said, the process to verify accounts traded hands is nearly impossible to be 100% sure of. Most "uniquely identifying" system information can be faked to make it look like an account did trade hands, which would give intelligent cheaters a free pass. IP bans are also not 100% effective overall, especially when dealing with someone knowledgeable in such matters, so there's no way to ban someone completely from the game. The best we can do is ban every account they have ever touched, which creates its own set of problems due to the rampant sharing of account credentials on this server.

I've made an effort to clarify our stance on account trades here. Sorry you got pinched, but you aren't the first, nor will you be the last.

Also, the accusation that because we're banning accounts means we're somehow involved in RMT is silly. I can create any character, item, or monetary value on the server I want with commands entrusted to me as a GM. I don't need your account and its crap. I can make my own. Now of course I don't, and there are auditing measures in place to ensure GMs aren't doing that (nilbog and Rogean both regularly check logs).

I hope you're willing to come back in the future and play again on your own account. If not, I certainly understand, and best of luck wherever you go next.

[chtulu]

so I've been accused of rmting, MQing, or some variation of cheating, yet there is no proof and the op won't quote the gm who told him my account was exploiting some how. Look you guys, he is obviously a liar and him and his buddy who gave him items were shady before he even bought. My account. I have my accounts still too from 6 months ago, how come they weren't banned if they were traacking my shit and verified I was cheating?

The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. The OP could just screen shot the gm response saying my account was shady, but he won't because he is lying and blaming me for his own cheating or friend who cheated and gave him items.

[chtulu]

There should be consequences to calling someone a cheater publically like this without proof. This is a small community and stuff like that carries a very negative and long lasting stigma. Either remove thiis thread or a gm needs to come in and verify that none of my accounts were invloved in shady dealings. This is harassment.

[Systolic]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be consequences to calling someone a cheater publically like this without proof. This is a small community and stuff like that carries a very negative and long lasting stigma. Either remove thiis thread or a gm needs to come in and verify that none of my accounts were invloved in shady dealings. This is harassment.

Originally Posted by GMwhowillnotbenamed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The cthulu account was banned for macroquest2 usage.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be consequences to calling someone a cheater publically like this without proof. This is a small community and stuff like that carries a very negative and long lasting stigma. Either remove thiis thread or a gm needs to come in and verify that none of my accounts were invloved in shady dealings. This is harassment.

You are right, it does carry a long lasting stigma. You sold an account that was flagged for MQ use. You are not a trustworthy account seller, and in a small community like this people should know who they can trust.

If you really want to look like a good guy and clear your name, apologize and give this guy his money back.

[ripwind]

The Internet: Serious business.

[feanan]

i think alarti has a lawyer he can recommend

[Systolic]

Being paid back MIGHT keep me around, but even then I'm still irritated at the policy itself.

[chtulu]

OP won't site his source. For all we know his account is still active and is just taking potshots at me. if you can claim I cheated without any evidence, I can say I don't without having to prove my case too. Logic bitch.