If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Pycoba_rng [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really depends on what section of the book you are referring too. Levitcus itself has been trascribed in well over 20 organized religons and practiced differently. Personally there are great passages in the book. Treat ones neighbor as you would yourself for example. One of the more famous lines from the book. Like all things in the Bible don't ever take anything at face value. Let alone use your common sense on when applying any logic you have recieved from any book. The bible is a old book. The stories are old. Plenty of passages and things can be entirely taken out of context. I believe you should apply the necessary teachings the bible offers. Some people study the bible their entire lifes to try to find its true meaning for themselves. So as far as applying the book Leviticus. I believe you need to apply yourself into spirtual guidance with god before anything.

Here is my beef with religious nuts like yourself. You claim, to live a fuller life we have to apply the teachings in the bible. I clearly pointed out a book in the bible that is without a doubt fucked and you back peddle by telling me not to take everything at face value. Common sense tells me, I don't need to follow the teaching of a book thats so twisted and hypocritical.

Here is a easy way to a richer, fuller life. It doesn't require a book or you to go anywhere on a Sunday. It's as easy as: Mind your own business and live your life without fucking over someone else. It's that simple.

[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool, would you agree that we should apply the teaching in the book of Leviticus ?

As a question back to you, do you think we should apply the teaching as well?

18:22-4 Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.


Do you think that is ok too? Just curious if you are only taking up arms about on part of Lev 18, or the whole thing.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a question back to you, do you think we should apply the teaching as well?

18:22-4 Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.


Do you think that is ok too? Just curious if you are only taking up arms about on part of Lev 18, or the whole thing.

Animals can't consent to sex with people, whereas gays can consent to have sex with other gays. Can you actually postulate a *reason* why homosexuality is so bad, or are you just trolling?

[Lazortag]

Also please justify this passage (deuteronomy 21):

# When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
# And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
# Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
# And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

You can still be religious and NOT believe in crazy shit like this, you realize?

[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Animals can't consent to sex with people, whereas gays can consent to have sex with other gays. Can you actually postulate a *reason* why homosexuality is so bad, or are you just trolling?

So you do agree with that part of the bible yet you would criticize Christians for picking and choosing which parts they believe? Interesting. Hypocrite much?

A person can consent for another to kill him too, does that make murder o.k.? A 12 year old child can consent for a 45 year old to have sex with them, does that make it o.k.?

Move on from the whole gay thing...as I posted before...stay on topic or make a new thread.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a question back to you, do you think we should apply the teaching as well?

18:22-4 Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.


Do you think that is ok too? Just curious if you are only taking up arms about on part of Lev 18, or the whole thing.

Listen, If you want to fuck a horse, fuck someone of the same sex, burn your daughter for disrespecting you, whatever else , so be it. It doesn't concern me. Just don't tell me , that I need all that, to live a fuller , richer life.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you do agree with that part of the bible yet you would criticize Christians for picking and choosing which parts they believe? Interesting. Hypocrite much?

A person can consent for another to kill him too, does that make murder o.k.? A 12 year old child can consent for a 45 year old to have sex with them, does that make it o.k.?

Move on from the whole gay thing...as I posted before...stay on topic or make a new thread.

Okay, you have to be trolling. I never said "consent makes things okay", I said "lack of consent makes things not okay". Surely there are things you can consent to that are still wrong. The burden is on you to provide a reason why homosexuality is wrong.

Also, most of what you said was just inaccurate. Firstly, I never said it's not okay for christians to pick and choose what they believe in the bible. Surely an argument could be made for why that's bad, but I think it's worse to believe in all the good and the bad things the bible espouses, than to just believe in the good ones.

Secondly, a 12 year old child can't consent to have a 45 year old have sex with them. We have things called "age of consent" laws, and uh, "statutory rape" to deal with this problem.

Thirdly, it's arguable whether you can truly "consent" to being killed. Some argue that people who are suicidal aren't rational and so aren't meaningfully consenting (just like animals are not meaningfully consenting to sex!). Even if you could consent, we would still find it wrong to kill people who did not consent, so yes, murder is still wrong.

[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also please justify this passage (deuteronomy 21):



You can still be religious and NOT believe in crazy shit like this, you realize?

So I see you have you "I am an Atheist and I am cool" talking points out. These verses get kind of tiring after reading them all over and over from you guys...lol. Before I go on let me ask you this. Have you read the bible? All of it? Did you miss the thousands and thousands of verses that deal with things you would consider good? Just curious.

Ok in response, do I agree with the verse morally? No. But who am I to question what God choose to do throughout history? And BTW you misunderstand. The law was given specifically to the Jew during a specific time period.

Jesus told the "Jews" (not Christians) in the gospels that He did not come to do away with the law-but that he was the law. He is what the law was about-righteousness.

It was only after the Jews "rejected" Jesus and had Him crucified that the law was abolished. When he rose from the grave-then a "new" covenant (agreement-contract) came into existence. This new covenant is for everyone who will believe- not just the Jew.

Unfortunately-since the Jews do not believe in Jesus, then this new covenant does not work for them- they believe they are still under the old law. Christians never were under the law. The law was abolished before there were any Christians.

Remember- when Jesus was talking in the gospels-it was Old Testament times. It was not until Pentecost and the giving of the Holy Spirit that Christianity was born.

Does that help?

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I see you have you "I am an Atheist and I am cool" talking points out. These verses get kind of tiring after reading them all over and over from you guys...lol. Before I go on let me ask you this. Have you read the bible? All of it? Did you miss the thousands and thousands of verses that deal with things you would consider good? Just curious.

Ok in response, do I agree with the verse morally? No. But who am I to question what God choose to do throughout history? And BTW you misunderstand. The law was given specifically to the Jew during a specific time period.

Jesus told the "Jews" (not Christians) in the gospels that He did not come to do away with the law-but that he was the law. He is what the law was about-righteousness.

It was only after the Jews "rejected" Jesus and had Him crucified that the law was abolished. When he rose from the grave-then a "new" covenant (agreement-contract) came into existence. This new covenant is for everyone who will believe- not just the Jew.

Unfortunately-since the Jews do not believe in Jesus, then this new covenant does not work for them- they believe they are still under the old law. Christians never were under the law. The law was abolished before there were any Christians.

Remember- when Jesus was talking in the gospels-it was Old Testament times. It was not until Pentecost and the giving of the Holy Spirit that Christianity was born.

Does that help?

Leviticus is from the old testament too. So basically, you're trolling. I feel stupid for ever having responded to you.

[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

[QUOTE=Lazortag;216215]Okay, you have to be trolling. I never said "consent makes things okay", I said "lack of consent makes things not okay". Surely there are things you can consent to that are still wrong. The burden is on you to provide a reason why homosexuality is wrong.

Also, most of what you said was just inaccurate. Firstly, I never said it's not okay for christians to pick and choose what they believe in the bible. Surely an argument could be made for why that's bad, but I think it's worse to believe in all the good and the bad things the bible espouses, than to just believe in the good ones.

Secondly, a 12 year old child can't consent to have a 45 year old have sex with them. We have things called "age of consent" laws, and uh, "statutory rape" to deal with this problem.

Thirdly, it's arguable whether you can truly "consent" to being killed. Some argue that people who are suicidal aren't rational and so aren't meaningfully consenting (just like animals are not meaningfully consenting to sex!). Even if you could consent, we would still find it wrong to

So I am trolling because you don't agree with me...grow up son.

Secondly up until the early part of the 20th century 12 was the age of consent. Some regions of the World do not even have an age of consent. So answer the question.

I am not going into the who gay thing...that was all you...now start a new thread and stop trolling the subject.