FE knowingly KS's TMO's Trak, Rushes to complete keys and Epics

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd hate to ask something actually relevant to the thread's title, but I do have a question. I heard through the grapevine, that the trak guts were effectively duplicated as the bard in question was allowed to retain his epic.

Confirm/deny? Inquiring minds want to know.

Does no one really have the answer? I'm genuinely curious, whatever the answer, this is a very interesting situation.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does no one really have the answer? I'm genuinely curious, whatever the answer, this is a very interesting situation.

i don't think i've seen him since then and if i did i wasn't paying attention to his weapon.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does no one really have the answer? I'm genuinely curious, whatever the answer, this is a very interesting situation.

unsure, i doubt either way he'd broadcast the outcome

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

unsure, i doubt either way he'd broadcast the outcome

Current rumor is that the guts have been duplicated. If so, I think that demands an open discussion on the nature of dispute resolution here.

Of course, that is simply rumor at this point. Can anyone provide confirmation or denial?

[falkun]

Xasten, this precedent was set with Xanthias and the Ranger epic, and has been upheld by GMs/CSR since its inception to the benefit of all raiding guilds, IB, TMO, and now it looks like FE and hopefully BDA got a wiz staff from Jarnuaga's post. I'm not saying the solution was right or wrong, but it does appear it has been fairly utilized and not to the benefit of one side over the other more than individual situations may merit.

Please put a post in the Server Chat section if you'd like to discuss this in a more civil environment.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xasten, this precedent was set with Xanthias and the Ranger epic, and has been upheld by GMs/CSR since its inception to the benefit of all raiding guilds, IB, TMO, and now it looks like FE and hopefully BDA got a wiz staff from Jarnuaga's post. I'm not saying the solution was right or wrong, but it does appear it has been fairly utilized and not to the benefit of one side over the other more than individual situations may merit.

Please put a post in the Server Chat section if you'd like to discuss this in a more civil environment.

Xasten's precedent was weeks after. The GM's decided to let him keep it due to thei response time. Your precedent is not relevant.

[falkun]

My precedent? What precedent have I set? The precedent was set by CSR, and has been upheld by CSR. The GMs do not answer to you nor I, but apparently they feel it is an applicable precedent because they have followed it thus far. If you disagree with their precedent, "Please direct your tears to the Petition/Exploit Forum or in extreme cases of hissy fits or conspiracy theories, Nilbog's Inbox."

Congrats on another guts for the guild bank, TMO.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xasten, this precedent was set with Xanthias and the Ranger epic, and has been upheld by GMs/CSR since its inception to the benefit of all raiding guilds, IB, TMO, and now it looks like FE and hopefully BDA got a wiz staff from Jarnuaga's post. I'm not saying the solution was right or wrong, but it does appear it has been fairly utilized and not to the benefit of one side over the other more than individual situations may merit.

Please put a post in the Server Chat section if you'd like to discuss this in a more civil environment.

First, I want to seek confirmation, even if it is from RnF before I open a larger thread. Secondly, I was hoping to defer specific discussion until I had such confirmation (or denial).

Suffice to say for now, I suspect Xanthias' situation is completely differentiated because express GM confirmation was given that he owned the SEoC in question. This created a liability on the GM's for one SEoC given authoritative statments detrimentally relied upon. In the present situation, it appears that no such confirmation was given. In effect, Xanthias' situation relies upon the doctrine of Promissory Estoppel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppe...ssory_estoppel), whereas here no such assurances were made by those in authority with regards to the conjecturally duplicated guts.

Even if the above facts are not dispositive of the conflict, the situation in question was resolved by taking (wrongly perhaps under the estoppel theory) a later emerald as a substitute. If this concept were applied, FE would owe TMO a set of guts which (with TMO already having been reimbursed) would then see the GM's simply confiscate the "owed" drop.

[47shadesofgay]

Will you shut the fuck up?

This is not a court room, and you're barking up the wrong tree. Either open up the thread in the appropriate place and risk looking stupid, or go away.

Nobody but you is caring this much.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I MAD, DELETE ZE EPIC.

FIFY