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[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have no grasp of what theology is?

Yes, I do.

I also have a grasp on how to get people off the scientific discussion when they're talking about religion as if the two are different sides of the same coin. IDK why the fuck transitional forms and such were even brought up. You guys are talking make believe shit, so I use my knowledge of make believe shit to get you talk about make believe shit. No need for science talk when philosophy and theology is involved.

The fact that you have never heard the idea that the Christian god resides in all things leads me to believe my knowledge of make believe shit is a lot more encompassing than someone grasping for quotes from google.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I do.

I also have a grasp on how to get people off the scientific discussion when they're talking about religion as if the two are different sides of the same coin. IDK why the fuck transitional forms and such were even brought up. You guys are talking make believe shit, so I use my knowledge of make believe shit to get you talk about make believe shit. No need for science talk when philosophy and theology is involved.

The fact that you have never heard the idea that the Christian god resides in all things leads me to believe my knowledge of make believe shit is a lot more encompassing than someone grasping for quotes from google.

Never said I hadn't heard of it. Heard of it, studied it ,compared it to the bible, found it to be false.

[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please provide me scripture that Jesus claims to be God.

No, I won't go quote mining on google. I'll have you read all of John instead. Go, read it, and you'll find several verses where he says it.

Go forth and be enlightened.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I do.

I also have a grasp on how to get people off the scientific discussion when they're talking about religion as if the two are different sides of the same coin. IDK why the fuck transitional forms and such were even brought up. You guys are talking make believe shit, so I use my knowledge of make believe shit to get you talk about make believe shit. No need for science talk when philosophy and theology is involved.

The fact that you have never heard the idea that the Christian god resides in all things leads me to believe my knowledge of make believe shit is a lot more encompassing than someone grasping for quotes from google.

You seem to think you are very smart. I tend to disagree.

[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said I hadn't heard of it. Heard of it, studied it ,compared it to the bible, found it to be false.

Awesome man! I'm glad you found the claim that god=Jesus to be false! Now, how did you come about such rationalization? What school of Christian theology did you use?

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I won't go quote mining on google. I'll have you read all of John instead. Go, read it, and you'll find several verses where he says it.

Go forth and be enlightened.

John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven+ but the one who descended from heaven,+ the Son of man

John 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me, and I will never drive away the one who comes to me;+ 38 for I have come down from heaven+ to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

John 8:21 So he said to them again: “I am going away, and you will look for me, and yet you will die in your sin.+ Where I am going, you cannot come.”+ 22 The Jews then began to say: “He will not kill himself, will he? Because he says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’” 23 He went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.+ You are from this world; I am not from this world.

John 8:42 Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me,+ for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.+


Yes enlightening. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as Gods son, he also confirms the existence of a heavenly immaterial realm.
Wow thanks for the tip!

[Toofliss]

I'm thankful for the modern advances that science has provided us. I firmly believe that science will continue to better our lives, but I don't place it on some pedal stool. Time and time again we've had it wrong and had to rewrite theories.

Some are willing to look past the current gaps in the theory of evolution and put faith in the hope that some day we'll be able to answer all those gaps with solid facts. I'm a little skeptical that this will ever happen. This blind faith is the same sort that I use, but you seem to think I'm batshit crazy for it because I chose to back a different opinion.

That being said, I too like to sit and observe/reflect on my surroundings. The amazing complexity of the world all around us simply leads me to believe that there was something far greater than humans will ever comprehend that put together this wonderful symphony. It seems that some scientists openly acknowledge this same observation.

For now I believe that there was some higher being that I'll reference as God. If someday down the road scientists are able to close all the gaps in evolution and provide solid evidence then perhaps I'll change my mind. I'm open to new information and look to incorporate it when making decisions. Some in this thread lead me to believe that God could reveal himself to you, smack you in the face, and you'd still claim that there is no God. The amazing probability of all of what we see/exists came about due to random chance? That's more far fetched in my mind that a supreme being flipping a switch or waving his hand.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm thankful for the modern advances that science has provided us. I firmly believe that science will continue to better our lives, but I don't place it on some pedal stool. Time and time again we've had it wrong and had to rewrite theories.

Some are willing to look past the current gaps in the theory of evolution and put faith in the hope that some day we'll be able to answer all those gaps with solid facts. I'm a little skeptical that this will ever happen. This blind faith is the same sort that I use, but you seem to think I'm batshit crazy for it because I chose to back a different opinion.

That being said, I too like to sit and observe/reflect on my surroundings. The amazing complexity of the world all around us simply leads me to believe that there was something far greater than humans will ever comprehend that put together this wonderful symphony. It seems that some scientists openly acknowledge this same observation.

For now I believe that there was some higher being that I'll reference as God. If someday down the road scientists are able to close all the gaps in evolution and provide solid evidence then perhaps I'll change my mind. I'm open to new information and look to incorporate it when making decisions. Some in this thread lead me to believe that God could reveal himself to you, smack you in the face, and you'd still claim that there is no God. The amazing probability of all of what we see/exists came about due to random chance? That's more far fetched in my mind that a supreme being flipping a switch or waving his hand.

Probably the most honest post I have seen on this thread.

Now prepare to be attacked by the trolls, for you have fed them well

[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven+ but the one who descended from heaven,+ the Son of man

John 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me, and I will never drive away the one who comes to me;+ 38 for I have come down from heaven+ to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

John 8:21 So he said to them again: “I am going away, and you will look for me, and yet you will die in your sin.+ Where I am going, you cannot come.”+ 22 The Jews then began to say: “He will not kill himself, will he? Because he says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’” 23 He went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.+ You are from this world; I am not from this world.

John 8:42 Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me,+ for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.+


Yes enlightening. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as Gods son, he also confirms the existence of a heavenly immaterial realm.
Wow thanks for the tip!

Did you find the verses where he claims to be the creator as well? It seems you missed it. Maybe you read so fast because you clearly didn't quote mine google
so I'll assume you missed it.

Also, nothing in this passage mentions an immaterial place. Sorry. He mentions coming from another place. Not another plane of existence.

Might want to read John a bit slower there.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I won't go quote mining on google. I'll have you read all of John instead. Go, read it, and you'll find several verses where he says it.

Go forth and be enlightened.

It must be tough having to google a rebuttal to all those scriptures from John.

Good thing I don't need google. That's what years of honest study from the bible gives you a good knowledge of the scriptures.