Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.

I submit the above Quote as further example of DSM making a false claim, or misunderstanding/misconstruing Troxx's posts. DSM are you arguing from bad faith?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can to it too[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been doing it for pages and pages while calling others trolls.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Please show data of your Shaman in a high level, fast-paced DPS group as has been requested multiple times by multiple people for those of us interested in learning the capabilities of a Shaman in that role/environment.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh ok. So as I thought "etc" is just an open ended stand in for "anyone that disagrees with me". I guess I should've expected that.

No. There are plenty of people earlier in the thread who disagreed with me respectably and moved on. I do not fault anyone for disagreeing with me. You could join their ranks!

They are not the ones who keep posting nonsense and bloating this thread to 80 pages[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Again, the repeat offenders can be seen in the last 10 pages, you don't have to look far.

If you think you can prove me wrong, do it! So far you have offered 0 evidence in the past 60 posts. A lot of insults and memes though[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only counter-evidence provided so far by Troxx proves my data is correct hehe.

For people interested in the real data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are not the ones who keep posting nonsense and bloating this thread to 80 pages[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know who etc. are. It's pretty obvious. They are the people posting memes and throwing out insults instead of having a civil conversation. I am sorry you are just an asshole. Anyone curious can see the obvious trolls in the last 10 pages[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If you respectfully disagree with me, there is no need to keep posting nonsense. Just stop and move on.

For the people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Please provide evidence of me specifically "posting memes and throwing out insults" which according to you makes me a troll, which you have called me (specifically) multiple times in this thread?

Please extrapolate on the "nonsense" that others (presumably such as myself) are posting?

Are you arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. At this point it is clear they cannot provide any evidence lol.

For people interested in the evidence:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. At this point it is clear they cannot provide any evidence lol.

For people interested in the evidence:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please provide evidence of me specifically "posting memes and throwing out insults" which according to you makes me a troll, which you have called me (specifically) multiple times in this thread?

Please extrapolate on the "nonsense" that others (presumably such as myself) are posting?

Are you arguing from bad faith?

Are you backed into a corner arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. They have lost so hard with the data their own side provided that their heads have exploded. It's really sad that 20/23 posts (at least) cyxthryth has posted are nonsense.

For people interested in the data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. They have lost so hard with the data their own side provided that their heads have exploded. It's really sad that 20/23 posts (at least) cyxthryth has posted are nonsense.

For people interested in the data:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please provide evidence of me specifically "posting memes and throwing out insults" which according to you makes me a troll, which you have called me (specifically) multiple times in this thread?

It looks like someone's just tossing around insults (such as calling me a troll) because they are unable to refute the facts I have stated nor able to provide answers to the questions I've asked.

I wonder why that might be? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you backed into a corner arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

People can take a look at your post history and decide who is being the troll[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For people who are actually interested in the conversation and the data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

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