Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[nilbog]

I see VP pathing being discussed. Without getting into the whole point of this thread..

Pathing was updated for VP last patch by our new pathing developer. When discussing the path file .. are you guys talking about current pathing, or pathing since VP was released? It's been changed for little under a month now with no reports.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you guys talking about current pathing, or pathing since VP was released? It's been changed for little under a month now with no reports.

Current pathing, dragons still pop through the walls occasionally.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know how it works.

Mostly I saw a ton of dragons being pulled to the zone in singly, and Huen training periodically. I mean I'm sure the pullers would train each other by accident some of the time but I think it's relatively hard to hammer the zone in with 10 racnars and wurms accidentally.

[Laugher]

I guess I would've been referring to issues mentioned earlier in the thread (with how long this threads been up I assume that it would've been prior to the recent patch), I myself haven't seen VP on this server but for the sake of convenience I foreshortened some of the conversation in the thread to one post a couple pages ago[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*edit*: woops I guess I did that about 10 pages ago haha

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was said, It is known.

P.S. The PnP policy means absolutely nothing to how things were actually handled, so you factually proved nothing. A policy and how a Policy is enforced are two completely different things, I would think that you guys could, at the very least, grasp that.

I'm sorry, I'm just not going to take your (or anyone else who could potentially be biased) memory or recollections with regards to the matter.

I do trust Ambrotos slightly more however. Finding the post by Rogean would be awesome.

That said, if what you say is true, with Ambrotos stating his opinion on the zone not remaining a FFA, and Nilbog chiming in to state that pathing has been fixed for about a month now with no reported issues, I think the more important question is not why was training allowed when the zone was released (almost 2 whole years ago) but rather why is training STILL allowed despite all these fixes, and how do we get it's status reevaluated?'

Would be awesome if someone of authority could offer some insight (Nilbog/Rogean/Sirken).

[spoils]

After reading bits and pieces of this thread and LOLing a lot...

i've come to the conclusion that...

1) Training should be outlawed in ALL zones.
2) GM's should not pop in and rez people for their fuckups, hence no CSR.
3) Simulated Patch Days would really help the entire server and clear up the shitty scene in VP

With ALL 3 pointed implemented, the raid scene here would get better overnight.

The only hope after that is for revamps to occur which will allow certain epics to be somewhat less of a pipedream.

For critics saying "zomg, get more skill to avoid the trains in VP". Skill should simply be judged on the guild's ability to kill the trash mobs before repop and kill the boss based on its scripts, which was intended. If it's too easy then...well i mean...you win eq and congrats! really...after you've won eq, wait for velious.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see VP pathing being discussed. Without getting into the whole point of this thread..

Pathing was updated for VP last patch by our new pathing developer. When discussing the path file .. are you guys talking about current pathing, or pathing since VP was released? It's been changed for little under a month now with no reports.

Throughout the thread we've discussed pathing there, from what I've seen in the zone it seems to be a lot better than when the zone first came out. Although I've only had a VP key about 9-10 months now so I cant speak to how it was on release.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Throughout the thread we've discussed pathing there, from what I've seen in the zone it seems to be a lot better than when the zone first came out. Although I've only had a VP key about 9-10 months now so I cant speak to how it was on release.

If you aggrod a wurm and didn't stop to let it attack you, it would constantly path back and forth in place until you stopped. they would also fly through the air and wall once your Zaxis differed from their's by so much. It was pretty horrendous.

Also, I wouldn't say that having no reports about pathing being a good thing. Not sure how many people would have kept putting them in since release and hoping that it would get better, I know a few people in IB posted about it and some from TMO as well and it was months without anything really happening. I'm pretty sure most just figured it was there to stay. Basically, if it was changed and no one really said they could tell a difference, it was probably a subtle change.

I'm not using that to advocate training still exist, just saying it would be odd for it to improve a great deal and no one comment on it.

Sirken could easily go into VP and judge the pathing for himself and decide if he wanted him and his CSR peeps to pick up the extra work. The zone is still a clusterfluck with 2 guilds trying to get pulls and navigate together, even when they aren't trying to wipe out the other side.

[Zapatos]

In regards to 'accidental trains' if VP became a non-training zone:

The aggro radius of all monsters in there, other than the 6 named dragons, is extremely small and there are numerous spots to camp a raid where mobs will not be pathing. Additionally, any raid is going to have at least 1 druid or ranger charged with casting harmony on all potential nearby threats, whether engaged or not.

You really have to try to train a raid and it's going to be extremely obvious to anyone watching. I don't think the "VP can still be full of accidental trains" is a valid excuse in the discussion of letting training continue.

[Joroz]

intentional training is different than mobs pathing out of their way and wiping other raids in the zone... and as flying mobs maybe they shouldn't be pulled off the floor to the ledges.