League of Legends

[Harrison]

Same, I started some time in June but the genre isn't new to me. Once I learned the dynamics of everything it was just more of the same shit I've been used to for years.

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Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i mean i havent played for longer than 8 months

i was doing some double reverse trolcasm. I've been playing since the original champs were released, i think 14 champs right when the original open beta hit: rammus, fiddlesticks, teemo, twitch, annie, tryndamere, master yi, nunu, alistar, eve, soraka, viegar, and a few other champs. QSS is an incredible item if you are playing a hard carry like tryndamere where CC is your bane especially since the cleanse nerf back in like....early 2010?

[Massive Marc]

I think all the Dominion trolls went back to summoners rift. Fucking queue times are @ 5min~

Hey Searyx, the Fiddle skin looks awesome, can't wait to get home to purchase it !

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Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think all the Dominion trolls went back to summoners rift. Fucking queue times are @ 5min~

Hey Searyx, the Fiddle skin looks awesome, can't wait to get home to purchase it !

me and null doing big things with viegar/sion. Rape mode activated on SR.

[Diggles]

there are so many mages that do their job better than veigar it's not even funny.

Also, I think the reason so many people are doing SR is because they don't wanna waste their 10 win boost on a 50 ip match

[Harrison]

I like veigar, a lot.

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Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are so many mages that do their job better than veigar it's not even funny.

Also, I think the reason so many people are doing SR is because they don't wanna waste their 10 win boost on a 50 ip match

When you reach a higher level of play your mind escapes 'the box'. 'The Box' is a state of mind a lot of LoL players suffer based on past experience, present expectations, and future expectations. These experiences are then further hardened into fact by high level players 'tier systems'.

The end result is, a player begins to see the game in 'black and white'. X is good therefore y is weaker. Let's look at the roles a mage can play:

1.) Support
2.) Direct Damage (Q, W, R, abilities all scale at near 1:1 ratios because all they are is damage attacks with no CC attached or lifesteal)
3.) Area of Effect Damage (Comet is one of the best scaling aoe nukes in the game)
4.) Crowd Control
5.) Area of Effect Crowd control (Easiest to land aoe stun in game with lowest risk to the mage for team fights)
6.) Assassin (ability to gank, viegars burst is ridiculous)

Viegar has no problem filling 4 of these roles.


Now the primary thing people like to achieve with a mage, is lots of burst and chaos, the ability to take out a damage dealing opponent as quickly and efficiently as possible with no recourse.

Of all mages, fewer require more magic resist than Viegar. Enemy mages have to build carefuly or risk the old Q-R combo.

A good Viegar will land Deathfire Grasp, Stun, Comet, Q, and R and then another Q. If the viegar has been properly farming middle lane for the first 15 or so minutes, he should have his sorceror boots and nearing completion of dathfire grasp. Idealy he has gained 50-75 AP from farming his Q.

Early game viegar will get no respect against a sustaining lane opponent. Spamming q on any sort of lifesteal/regen opponent middle will usually land viegar low on mana with a smaller creep farm.

Mid game Viegar will wreck most any character by level 11 with a proper DFG >E > W > Q > R combo. As the game approaches later in the game some mort noticable things become apparent. Viegar is able to drop the squishy carries without resorting to DFG and comet, can usually drop them with Q AND R.

Later game for team fights, there is few initiations better than Veigars stun gate. A player can be stunned from a safe distance at no risk to viegar. Viegar is also one of the scariest mages to play against when you are trying to defend a tower for a 'team push'. His only weakness lies against very fast chasers: warwick, akali, irelia, garen, and their ilk. No champion is unstoppable. However Viegars burst damage is arguably the highest in the game when properly farmed.

Why does Viegar get a bad rap?
Most people have difficulty dealing with viegars exceptionally weak movement speed, hitpoints, and lack of OOMPH early game and tend to get raped in the farming stage trying to harass or just plain suck.
The second challenge most players face is the split second reaction time required to successfully land a full combo on an opponent, internally knowing where to place the stun gate so the opponent doesnt avoid your comet is critical, and you cant afford to max out your stun gate with rank 1 comet and expect to net solo kills. You need to rank up comet and stun gate evenly to build the psychological fear in opponents that you can and will take them from 100% to 0% with a full combo of your abilties. If you cant Hit E > W > # for DFG > Q > R in proper sequence and place the stun gate appropriately, you will fail at viegar, plain and simple. You'll be a ho hum pub stomper at best that has no chance at playing viegar in ranked.

All that being said, Annie is considered a top tier mage yet head to head a viegar or annie bring the same power to the table if played right, and I can't tell you the number of games I've played with annie vs viegar duels, fights would go both ways based on who was quicker to the stun draw.


Now Diggles, if you can play viegar and carry your team with 15+ kills in 30minutes consistantly in normal matches then you can say viegar sucks or that other mages perform his role better, but you've no room to talk if you are basing your opinion on the assumption that other mages are better because you've seen Brand rape or have played annie and pubstomped.

[SearyxTZ]

Annie is considered a top tier mage yet head to head a viegar or annie bring the same power to the table if played right

Ehhh no. They're both AP, but their kits are pretty different. Veigar is not really AoE damage, for one.

My opinion on Veigar is that too much of his damage is either avoidable or counterable. His stun gate is a cool spell with a ton of range on it, but one tenacity item (or cleanse/qss/flash/whatever) throws a wrench into his E-W combo. I never see him in ranked but when I do play against him, I hardly ever get hit by his delayed AoE spell. It's his weakest ability that needs to either have the range kicked up a bit or the delay reduced, in my opinion. You have to rely on an Amumu or some other such champion to really land it against good players.

Banshees can also ruin his up-front single target burst. That isn't to say you aren't still doing to do a fuckton of damage with your ult/DFG even if the Q is blocked, but it does take the one-shot-kill away.

His cooldowns on everything except Q are kind of long, so he's not doing a whole lot in team fights after the initial burst.


Elementz has him in the bottom tier and I agree with that. But I also think players take way too much out of that, because there isn't that much difference between a Tier 1 and a Tier 5 champion. The balance is pretty tight, and I look at most of the lower champions as "situational". If the comp is right for it, Veigar can wreck people harder than some of the Tier 1 champions, especially late game.

[Diggles]

And another thing, you have to compare skill and effort, as well. To get a Veigar combination off you have to be on the fucking ball whereas with Annie or something you just point and click

[Diggles]

The game is already brutal at high ELO without having to play sniper with your spells