Michael Brown

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Michael Brown definitely deserved to be killed by the policeman!

There, thread over, go back to yelling about dragons

TREYVON, these poor saintly souls taken to soon!

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by AnOldEnemy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chokehold isn't illegal. While it is banned by NYPD regulation it is legal under state law while making a lawful arrest. There was over 200,000 misdemeanor arrests in NYC in 2013 and how often do you see this happen? So much for the overzealous NYPD killing everyone right?

I'm only speaking of this particular case. My opinion, based on the information I've seen so far, is that I think the cops went overboard here and it appears they recklessly or negligently caused this man's death. I don't believe I was implying in any way that the NYPD are generally "overzealous" or run around "killing everyone" whenever they feel like it though. Lol.

So NY state law says it's legal to use a choke hold and the NYC regulations have banned it's use. Were the cops acting lawfully or not when they used it on Eric Garner then? Confused and not a lawyer...

In any case, they could have eased up a bit on the guy once he was down. They weren't in danger from him at that point, at least he wasn't trying to hurt them that I could see.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

They took a guy who had his hands up with 5 people and choked him to death. Jesus fuck Sidelle it isn't that hard. NYPD are some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They took a guy who had his hands up with 5 people and choked him to death. Jesus fuck Sidelle it isn't that hard. NYPD are some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

Yes, I'm aware of the man being wrongfully choked to death. I think the cops should have been charged. My question to the other guy was more about the actual laws in NY, but thanks for the reply anyway.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I'm aware of the man being wrongfully choked to death. I think the cops should have been charged. My question to the other guy was more about the actual laws in NY, but thanks for the reply anyway.

Yeah. Sorry. The whole police brutality thing is just a bit much for me. Had a friend shot in the head for having the audacity to have a cell phone in his hand and walk to subway. He survived somehow but doesn't walk quite right and isn't all there mentally anymore.

[AnOldEnemy]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm only speaking of this particular case. My opinion, based on the information I've seen so far, is that I think the cops went overboard here and it appears they recklessly or negligently caused this man's death. I don't believe I was implying in any way that the NYPD are generally "overzealous" or run around "killing everyone" whenever they feel like it though. Lol.

So NY state law says it's legal to use a choke hold and the NYC regulations have banned it's use. Were the cops acting lawfully or not when they used it on Eric Garner then? Confused and not a lawyer...

In any case, they could have eased up a bit on the guy once he was down. They weren't in danger from him at that point, at least he wasn't trying to hurt them that I could see.

Yes, that was my fault in my wording. I didn't mean to explicitly state you said the NYPD was overzealous or killing everyone. I was more talking about the general reactions. As far as the chokeholds go it is one of those things that is a rule that isn't really followed. Internal Affairs won't pursue it 99% of the time and civil lawsuits won't get anything out of it because the state law trumps in that case. Even the whole argument about what really constitutes a chokehold is a grey area. In the academy officers are actually taught certain moves that resembled chokeholds but stay away from the neck and throat. I believe their idea of a chokehold is force to neck which they think is different than pressure to the neck. You can see how this is so convoluted.

This also wasn't death by asphyxiation, the coroner's finding was that he died from "compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It was also stated that this could have been due to the man's medical condition. You can see how defense lawyers would have a field day with this and no prosecutor wants to open up the Pandora's box of prosecuting cops in such a gray area.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. Sorry. The whole police brutality thing is just a bit much for me. Had a friend shot in the head for having the audacity to have a cell phone in his hand and walk to subway. He survived somehow but doesn't walk quite right and isn't all there mentally anymore.

Wow... Really sorry about your friend. That's horrific. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by AnOldEnemy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, that was my fault in my wording. I didn't mean to explicitly state you said the NYPD was overzealous or killing everyone. I was more talking about the general reactions. As far as the chokeholds go it is one of those things that is a rule that isn't really followed. Internal Affairs won't pursue it 99% of the time and civil lawsuits won't get anything out of it because the state law trumps in that case. Even the whole argument about what really constitutes a chokehold is a grey area. In the academy officers are actually taught certain moves that resembled chokeholds but stay away from the neck and throat. I believe their idea of a chokehold is force to neck which they think is different than pressure to the neck. You can see how this is so convoluted.

This also wasn't death by asphyxiation, the coroner's finding was that he died from "compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It was also stated that this could have been due to the man's medical condition. You can see how defense lawyers would have a field day with this and no prosecutor wants to open up the Pandora's box of prosecuting cops in such a gray area.

Ok, I see now. I appreciate that you took the time to explain further, so thank you.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by AnOldEnemy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, that was my fault in my wording. I didn't mean to explicitly state you said the NYPD was overzealous or killing everyone. I was more talking about the general reactions. As far as the chokeholds go it is one of those things that is a rule that isn't really followed. Internal Affairs won't pursue it 99% of the time and civil lawsuits won't get anything out of it because the state law trumps in that case. Even the whole argument about what really constitutes a chokehold is a grey area. In the academy officers are actually taught certain moves that resembled chokeholds but stay away from the neck and throat. I believe their idea of a chokehold is force to neck which they think is different than pressure to the neck. You can see how this is so convoluted.

This also wasn't death by asphyxiation, the coroner's finding was that he died from "compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It was also stated that this could have been due to the man's medical condition. You can see how defense lawyers would have a field day with this and no prosecutor wants to open up the Pandora's box of prosecuting cops in such a gray area.

Yeah I don't think so. When someone has been subdued and is already on the ground and obviously can't breath because he has multiple grown men bearing down on him and one choking him, plus he's begging them to stop because he can't breath, that's not very gray. I don't care what any lawyer or grand jury says, the dud choking him needs to be charged.

[Misto]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They took a guy who had his hands up with 5 people and choked him to death. Jesus fuck Sidelle it isn't that hard. NYPD are some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

You act as if the police have a moral obligation to trust criminals with their lives.

That's funny.

Where as you'd think someone with 31 prior arrests would know how to behave when being detained by the police.