Black Sock Down: Helicopter<FE> crashes and burns cheating for FTE

[Tiggles]

Picture of Helicopter at VS spawn room

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[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Picture of Helicopter at VS spawn room

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This was good.

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FE hacks from google images. Wonder if this was posted on their member forums!?

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nooooo.....


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[Halfelfbard]

Cheating Scum..

[Tanthallas]

Using a programmable keyboard to map a bind from the standard set of keys on a keyboard to the extra macro keys whichever fancy portion the keyboard puts them on is not against the rules.

Now, if your keyboard allows you to hold down a button - which many modern ones do, you should check them out - instead of jamming it, wtf is the issue exactly?

Seeing as it is pretty impossible to tape down a key on the normal set of keys (try getting any letter key to stay down, for example), but possible to tape down the keys that are set for macros, there is nothing strange at all going on here. The difference is between holding the key down with your finger or having it held down for you.

There is nothing devious about this whatsoever. No rules were broken. No macro loops created. There is no ruling on this anywhere to my knowledge that makes this against the rules.

Thanks kids.

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is between holding the key down with your finger or having it held down for you.

Ahh but this points out just how flawed your argument really is.


Sure I can hold down a key here and have it repeat, lets try it now..

"4444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444 444444444444"

So we've established that holding 4 down in Google Chrome will auto-repeat the 4 key if it is held down.

However, if you go into Everquest and attempt to hold the 4 key down to activate a keyboard macro, it will not repeat!?

Oh my, why would this be?

Well, it's quite simple really- Everquest was written differently than Google Chrome was! In fact, Everquest waits for the operating system to send it a "KEY UP" event for the number 4 before it will reset the button and allow the macro (or item on the hotbar) to fire again!

You see, the developers at Verant/Sony very specifically wrote the client so that you couldn't just hold down a macro button to repeat the action. They intended (and forced through code) for hotbar items to be tapped, not held down and repeated.

What Helicopter was doing was using some sort of third party utility- be it hardware or software. That specifically faked the button being tapped instead of being held down, because as I established above. The Everquest client was not written in a manner that allows you to hold down a key on your keyboard and repeat a hotbar action.

Is this clear to you now? Or are you just going to start spewing again about things you know nothing about?

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Loly Taa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, if you go into Everquest and attempt to hold the 4 key down to activate a keyboard macro, it will not repeat!?

Oh my, why would this be?

Well, it's quite simple really- Everquest was written differently than Google Chrome was! In fact, Everquest waits for the operating system to send it a "KEY UP" event for the number 4 before it will reset the button and allow the macro (or item on the hotbar) to fire again!

You see, the developers at Verant/Sony very specifically wrote the client so that you couldn't just hold down a macro button to repeat the action. They intended (and forced through code) for hotbar items to be tapped, not held down and repeated.

Per Rogean from this post - http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...44&postcount=2
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

Seems straight forward enough to me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Per Rogean from this post - http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...44&postcount=2
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

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Sorry, this is not straight forward.

This leaves it up to the judgment of the individual. If I have my roommate sit and jam a button when i take a shower as opposed to having some material thing hold down the button, what is the fucking difference? Is my roommate an unfair advantage?

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[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, this is not straight forward.

This leaves it up to the judgment of the individual. If I have my roommate sit and jam a button when i take a shower as opposed to having some material thing hold down the button, what is the fucking difference? Is my roommate an unfair advantage?

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you must have missed the "if you have the slightest doubt part"

Thats ok, we forgive you.