I hate this perma-camping shit

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Stepy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Why don't you guys just take a step back from the whole scene for awhile and let us police ourselves? Then you can focus on development instead of Angry_Raider_00702 bitching up a storm. "

If you want to step back and stay out of the fray that is great... for you, maybe others are looking for a better solution. Its clear that policing ourselves isn't working or there wouldn't be so many complaints. The purpose of this game is to have fun and you do this by doing quest and better your character by equiping it with better armor and weapons.
This is where it gets frustrating once you reach a certain level, lets say 50 then either you have to have a huge pile of plat. or be able to conquer named mobs. Once your at this point you start looking for the hot spot for that super piece of armor or weapon and you see it's taken and you come back later and you realize your not going to find it open. Not everyone has a character that can solo and hold these spot and you have to find a group but once you get a group going you see there is nothing open to camp so the group disbands and your all alone again, and waiting. I suppose you can get lucky and join a raiding guild and wait your turn for raid drops but unless things change a few will control all the best spots and all you can do is sit and get frustrated.
There s no simple solution, some people are jerks and there not a whole lot you can do about it without breaking the rules.
I suppose some can just start a different character or just ride it out till Kunark is live and those people will move on to bigger game.

I play a rogue, I can't solo anything. Different people play this game for different reasons. I think it's shitty that people pass camps off to guildees for days on end instead of giving it to the next person sitting there. I think it's shitty that going AFK at a camp for any amount of time allows people who want to cite the rules 24/7 can make a valid argument about taking a spawn. I think it's shitty that if you go to the bathroom and someone comes in and takes your camp, you can't retaliate and fight them for it.

I'm gonna requote something there.

some people are jerks and there not a whole lot you can do about it without breaking the rules.

Therein lies the problem. The rules can be gamed. On live if someone was a dick and stole a camp from you, you absolutely should train them. Then you should go to the forums and brag about it so people know that that guy thought he could roll you simply because he's a stronger class or has better gear. That's what I mean by policing ourselves. The reputations of assholes will grow and people will get black balled, that's how classic EQ was.

The current set of rules and how many there are ensure that GMs are present 24/7, even if not physically. Show me a server set of rules creating by GMs on live that was adhered to serverwide. It doesn't exist.

[Kinamur1999]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some people are jerks and there not a whole lot you can do about it without breaking the rules.

My terms, There's a whole lot of people being jerks and nothing you can do about it.

Going afk to go to the bathroom and having your camp stolen sucks, going afk for 6 hours to go to work and having your camp stolen is not having your camp stole its giving up your camp to go to work.

I'm really not sure how important rep is to many of the people playing on this emu, and im sure its not important to the top guilds considering the constant shit thrown their way.

Saying its not an issue/misunderstanding does not make it a moot point.

Rep is meaningless, wins is what counts.

[Stepy]

I'm sure alot of us are unhappy to say the least when some jerk does something to use to make our game time not enjoyable. The fact is we usually grumble about it, go to the boards and post what happens or just rant in shouts about the scoundrel that did us wrong. Many of use aren't vigilantes we can't just go off and administer some sort of justice on someone else even if they are jerks, all it causes is more retaliation from him/her and their friends and guild mates. You sure don't want some ticked off jerk following you around trying to make your in-game life miserable.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Stepy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure alot of us are unhappy to say the least when some jerk does something to use to make our game time not enjoyable. The fact is we usually grumble about it, go to the boards and post what happens or just rant in shouts about the scoundrel that did us wrong. Many of use aren't vigilantes we can't just go off and administer some sort of justice on someone else even if they are jerks, all it causes is more retaliation from him/her and their friends and guild mates. You sure don't want some ticked off jerk following you around trying to make your in-game life miserable.

That's the perfect example of someone who will be banned though. Some guy comes in and trains your group because he wants a camp on his 50 necro. Then he's a smug dick about it, go post on the forums and see if other people have similar sentiments. If this is his norm, train the MFer and if he starts to follow you around griefing you, let me know. If the GMs say "it's ffa, do what you will" I would start a guild named "Vigilantes" compromised of 50 monks who make it our sole purpose to train the living fuck out of assholes who grief casual players like you just mentioned. This seems like a much better use of my time than camping a raid mob for 48 hours simply because the current rule system calls for it.

Again, open up the rules and let us play. In fact that's my campaign slogan.

Cyrano for Server President: "If you vote for me I'll train the jerks of the server!"

[eqdruid76]

[QUOTE=Cyrano;80749] I think it's shitty that going AFK at a camp for any amount of time allows people who want to cite the rules 24/7 can make a valid argument about taking a spawn. QUOTE]

Now you understand the importance of maintaining a poop sock.

[Stepy]

"i dunno about you guys. but last night i just rolled into guk, lord was open, lord was up (no yak), killed him, cleared room, cleared hall, PH spawned, killed him, cleared hall, lord spawns, yak in hand, kill him, clear room, clear hall, lord spawns, yak in hand, kill him, leave guk."

You were a very lucky soul then i guess, not to doubt you but who is your toon, anyone can come on here and post a zone is not perma-camped story.

[AWOL]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think the big problem is too much GM involvement, no offense to you guys. If raid guilds are training or ks'ing one another why do the GMs get involved 100% of the time? Like whoever said above reputations will be formed based on actions and not what people say or how they act on the forums.

A huge difference between live and P99 is the accessibility of GMs/Devs 24/7. On Morell Thule our GM was named Linor who was involved with major issues and very fair. Linor spent more of his time dealing with bugged characters/mobs than babysitting people who cry wolf anytime a raid mob pops. Thing is, I could never imagine seeing Linor hanging out in a chat program with a guild. The few servers who had GMs that were also playing on their server caused server specific GMs to get nuked, they were too close to the people and situations at hand. Bias was able to be formed and in some forms straight up corruption.

Why don't you guys just take a step back from the whole scene for awhile and let us police ourselves? Then you can focus on development instead of Angry_Raider_00702 bitching up a storm.

I couldn't agree more. I played on live on a PVE server that was 100% FFA. The only rule enforced was no KS and no trains but the burden of proof was on the accusing party. By the time a GM would show up the faster and/or stronger guild had already killed the target and moved on and the GMs would always say they would not get involved in raid target disputes, unless people could prove it was a train or KS.

I think the only solution is make it 100% FFA, the first to engage wins. If a guild already have their entire force in zone lets say 30+ players ready to take down a boss, guild B who was late in assembling their raid most likely won't reach the target in time to engage that will help avoid conflicts. Keep the golems rule for CT but as FFA first to kill 2 golems win CT. If we take away the 15 man rule camping goes out the window because a guild can just rush a target as it spawns regardless of the number of afk people in zone.

[Cyrano]

I'm definitely with you on CT. This is one instance where we could have true racing competition. Instead of having to watch the guild with 15 first in zone kill the two golems, make that part FFA.

Doesn't matter how far in they are, a second comes in and beats them to the two golems they get a shot at CT.

[Cyrano]

Rep pushed Abacab to nuke his character and account, trust me if you log in and people flame you in tells and refuse to group with you it will affect anyone's desire to play here.

I also don't get the afk for 6 hours rule? I think whoever posted the hadden situation had it perfectly. If you roll up to Hadden and he's spawned but some guy is AFK, why should he get first shot? Go kill Hadden and if the guy comes back from AFK 2 seconds later and is cool about it, be a stand up person and give him the earring. However if you're waiting there next to him and his guild keeps passing off the camp and being afk when Hadden spawns, fuck them.

The rules are too easily manipulated by dickheads, and I'm not even talking about the raid situation.

Again, there should be a few universal rules and that's it. Don't purposely train people, it becomes apparent via reputation and repetition who does this on a regular basis. Don't steal camps, however if someone is being ridiculous (ie going to work and feeling like they should still hold the Ishva camp) by all means take it away. Use judgement here, come complain on the forums to the public instead of summoning a GM at every turn.

And when it comes to raiding, many of you people claim to hate IB and DA anyways. Why not let us fight it out amongst ourselves instead of imposing overbearing rules?

The camping rule is a microcosm of the primary issues on this server in terms of right to content. Those who disagree only need look at Oasis. This is a lower level exp zone with a few named spawns. Those who can kill LJ will fight for it while those who can't will fight for lesser mobs. If you pull near a group they will often try to steal your pull, do you go bitch to a GM or do you man up and beat them? I'm the latter... what are you?

[wangerinlee]

There should be absoulty no GM involvment in raid bosses. Now that people know a GM will be inviolved it only fuels the whinners and crybabies. Simple Fix: GM's never respond to raid mob disputes unless its a bug. Any person that petitions another guild over a raid boss gets a nice lil suspension. If you want people to stop bitching stop giving them reason to and dont allow it.