Power leveling should be banned.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: PEOPLE THAT POWERLEVEL ARE CHEATING,LYING and EXPLOITING, but I don't care, as long as they don't do it around me, but if they take my EXP then they're cheaters and they lie and they exploit and and..

Its not that I don't care.. but what can I do? In real life someone is stealing from someone somewhere right now.. Do I not care? Of course I care, but I can't act.

Obviously in game, we all take ethics a biut less seriously. And we have to choose our battles. Yes, I pick a battle with someone ruining my experience while cheating or using exploits. If I could stop it all, I would, If I could stop all people in RL from stealing, I would.

What exactly is your point?

It amazed me how many people don't realize that people will give up things they COULD do, strictly out of a sense of right and wrong. They always assume that the person objecting is jealous. LOL. Yeah, I'm jealous of people that cheat and lie. I'm so sad that I have ethics and character and I limit myself to being kind. I give back extra money if a cashier makes a mistake. By your logic if I pointed out a mistake made by a cashier to you, I'm doing it because I'm jealous I didn't benefit from the mistake?

Could it be, that some of us, actually do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing? And then, if someone tromps all over that, its really that bad for me to ask that people behave ethically?

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care if people are powerleveled as long as it's not at the expense of others.

This is my belief too. Unfortunately several times though my P99 career I've run into PL'ers who stole my mobs or who have trained me, either on accident or on purpose, I don't know. In most cases they were real jerks about it too when you called them out on it.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is my belief too. Unfortunately several times though my P99 career I've run into PL'ers who stole my mobs or who have trained me, either on accident or on purpose, I don't know. In most cases they were real jerks about it too when you called them out on it.

Exactly. I do care either way, but its a game. If they choose to cheat, no ione is harmed by themselves. But way too often they think its a given right to PL and own a zone, no matter who else it hurts. And most times, they just try and belittle you like you're a noob. I have high level characters, I don't use them to help my alts. Don't assume I'm a noob because I choose not to cheat with my lower level characters.

If you want to PL, do it somewhere where no one else is harmed. Since most of the people that PL won't bother to do that, I ask for the 2xlevel XP restriction.

[Strifer]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could it be, that some of us, actually do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing?

I don't completely disagree with you, but this entire issue is in such a grey fog you're never going to get any sort of GM action short of what we currently have in place. Powerleveling isn't the issue, its people being cockgoblins.

Playing a necro, I used to camp in Misty Thicket and help out younger players who were starting out. Handing out spears, giving plat, and occasionally darknessing and fearing mobs for a select few that I was having a good chat with while FD...essentially giving them xp for next to nothing. Does that make me liable to get a surprise GM visit?

And what about high level clerics/druids/shamans/whateverthehell going to oasis docks and giving sweet buffs to newer players, yet you were unable to get there in time, allowing your competition to kill faster and possibly depriving you of some mobs. Do those people deserve to have action taken against them for taking five minutes to help out strangers?

Nothing is wrong with powerleveling in many different forms and in a top-heavy server you're bound to find it, nobody wants to have their friend start a new acct and play with them, but refuse to help them because they'd rather make them go lfg for hours because thats "the way it was intended" and for some reason helping lower level chars is as bad as two boxing.

You'll find douches everywhere, if not in oasis, youll find people taking your spawns in solB, or training your afk self in Karnors. It sucks but that's also part of the game.

TL;DR- Don't hate the game, hate the douche player

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Tomatoking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes this happened to me several times on red , you go spend all your money on pumices then when said person has a bunch of mobs on them you dispell all their buffs and jump on them and get a kill

problem solved

I understand now, you're a pvper.. mystery solved.

[Snagglepuss]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are playing against an NPC, NPC's that have been slain over and over again until maximum efficiency is achieved (sometime about 10 years ago). All mechanics, methods and movements have been scoured over by hundreds of people over many years. All exp spots have been mapped out and loot tables readily available.

No new strategies have been invented, no new quests are available, you're not going to come up with anything ground breaker that hasn't been done before.

You talk about fiercer competition like it has ANYTHING to do with game mechanics and not to do with neckbeards and bat phones.

Please stop talking. You're clearly wrong.

I'm sorry you're right. You don't play against other players in EQ. They don't have any influence on the game. In fact, EQ isn't an MMORPG at all!

Also, people make up new chess moves all the time. They even add new pieces all the time. I think the board squares change all the time just like Norrath does so no one can remember any opening moves or can master any spawn location or quest.

I mean this site doesn't tell you how to play every single opening, trap or gambit.

http://www.eudesign.com/chessops/ch-index.htm

This site doesn't tell you how to beat bosses...

http://wiki.project1999.org/Category:Raid_Encounters

I totally forgot that complete information does not lead to efficiency. That's why market arbitrage doesn't exist; no one makes any money playing poker; and for god's sake that's why no one can look up information on a wiki and know exactly how to beat any boss or mob. It certainly doesn't make for more competition for camps or good exp spots...

And most of all both games haven't been scoured by hundreds of players for many years looking to exploit every strategy...

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Snagglepuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry you're right. You don't play against other players in EQ. They don't have any influence on the game. In fact, EQ isn't an MMORPG at all!

Also, people make up new chess moves all the time. They even add new pieces all the time. I think the board squares change all the time just like Norrath does so no one can remember any opening moves or can master any spawn location or quest.

I mean this site doesn't tell you how to play every single opening, trap or gambit.

http://www.eudesign.com/chessops/ch-index.htm

This site doesn't tell you how to beat bosses...

http://wiki.project1999.org/Category:Raid_Encounters

I totally forgot that complete information does not lead to efficiency. That's why market arbitrage doesn't exist; no one makes any money playing poker; and for god's sake that's why no one can look up information on a wiki and know exactly how to beat any boss or mob. It certainly doesn't make for more competition for camps or good exp spots...

And most of all both games haven't been scoured by hundreds of players for many years looking to exploit every strategy...

Do I really need to post the sites THAT DO tell you how to beat every boss ?

Like how fucking daft are you ? Please continue to compare EQ to chess, while we all give 0 fucks.

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly is your point?

MY point is, Power leveling is far from cheating or exploiting. You're literally making it up to support your argument. It's been classic since day one. If you can't adapt to a strategy thats been used since there was a first ever lvl 50 druid, I don't know what to tell you.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Strifer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Playing a necro, I used to camp in Misty Thicket and help out younger players who were starting out. Handing out spears, giving plat, and occasionally darknessing and fearing mobs for a select few that I was having a good chat with while FD...essentially giving them xp for next to nothing. Does that make me liable to get a surprise GM visit?

And what about high level clerics/druids/shamans/whateverthehell going to oasis docks and giving sweet buffs to newer players, yet you were unable to get there in time, allowing your competition to kill faster and possibly depriving you of some mobs. Do those people deserve to have action taken against them for taking five minutes to help out strangers?


TL;DR- Don't hate the game, hate the douche player

No, its helping out. Sure, there is a fine line here, but common sense should figure it out pretty quickly. I think 999 out of 1000 people can discern a friendly gesture between characters and zone abuse.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I need to rejoin this disputation in good earnest.

When I joined the server, a few months ago, and after I had done my time in Nektulos just to barely earn spell and food money, I journeyed out, ready to make my usual mark in the world.

I immediately cajoled orc campers to come, come with me, to Befallen! The zone you fall in.

That night, phone calls were being made, couriers were being dispatched, people were being awakened from their beds: Behold! Sadre the Enchanter is doing cc in Befallen!

I thought it was supposed to be normal. I was told at the time "dude no one does this, and this kicks ass."

Yes, yes it does.

Now, while at least 80% of that delirious fun was having me, Sadre the Enchanter, the juicebox summoner, the person to whom the Queen herself defers when debating strats, nevertheless, that leaves 20% of fun even if I am not there.

It was only later I realized: no one does this as a rule, and I would have to find my own groups if I wanted to adventure.

Which is turning out to be nearly impossible.

Why? The universal answer is, in essence, "not an efficient way of leveling."


And that, sarcasm off, is the problem. "Not an efficient way of leveling." On an emu server. With the next expansion coming out sometime after the next Star Wars trilogy. After which, the server is then done releasing expansions.

This. Is. Madness.

I shall start a guild. It shall be called Sadre's Delevelers. I'll take you DOWN.

Although it is not 1999, and the Queen is quite anxious about Kate and the concerning growing dementia of Prince Charles, she nevertheless told me she was quite tempted, quite tempted indeed, to roll her usual character, a female troll warrior. She is one ugly muther tankin bitch in real life, she likes to say.

[Cippofra]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really hypocrisy, the PLer and PLee are happy while everyone else in the zone is not happy and forced to be relocated. I don't care if people are powerleveled as long as it's not at the expense of others.

Which means your issue is with people being douchebags. Not with powerleveling. Right? Heres a secret, for every 1 decent person on this server, theres 15 douchebags. Part of society. Any society, pixels or otherwise.