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11-07-2012, 10:35 PM
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But, once again, you're being emotionally blackmailed on an issue. You keep repeating "BUT... BUT GMO IS BAD!" without actually responding to the points of Proposition 37 that are bad. Here's the third time I'll say this: I am not against a larger amount of transparency on purchasable goods. I think most people can say the same thing. However, the provisions of the bill are awful. You say "putting fucking GMO labels on the god damn food" like some magic label fairies are going to be placed around California to make sure this shit happens. Do you know who's responsible for "putting fucking GMO labels on the god damn food"? Hint: I've said it at least twice in this thread. Do you know exactly what needs to be labelled? Again, probably not. The proposition is so vague retailers would probably need to label everything, even animals bred via selective breeding, which is harmless "genetic modification" that's been going on for thousands of years. The entire thing is a big business scare tactic and you're falling for it. Again, fortunately not the entirety of California fell for it. If this passed, guess what would happen? Costs in local "mom and pop" shops would skyrocket, you'd buy more from Walmart or whatever giant, and those small businesses go out of business. And you probably wouldn't eat any differently. If a similar bill popped up in my state (New York) which actually put the responsibility on the manufacturer instead of the retailer, actually gave a clear outline on what had to happen, and had sane limitations without driving up the costs of food, then sure, I'd probably vote for it. Prop 37 was not that. It was big business takeover veiled in phony science.
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11-07-2012, 10:42 PM
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1. My guess for the resistance from food large companies for the label change is that it will cost an amount of money that they don't want to spend. I work as an engineer in the medical device industry and the requirements for labeling is very clearly laid out, deviation from which can result in the FDA/CADA coming down on you like the wrath of God. That said, changing labels can be a pain in the ass on a smaller scale - now multiple that by all the products these companies have and I can understand their desire not to mess with their labeling. 2. Either you or someone else mentioned that there is a lack of regulation on what is GMO, etc. I would say that this is the largest issue within the field of GE-ing as regulation is the key to safety. Going back to medical devices, I feel no misgivings if I had to have a procedure in the hospital that uses devices due to the field being so heavily regulated as to assure top quality. Like-wise, GMO can be made perfectly safe (assuming nothing to the contrary rigorously disproves this) with proper regulation such as documentation of quantities of chemicals, what genes are being replaced/modified, standard safety testing performed, and proper labeling. With these regulations in place, I can assure you that the regulating agencies (such as the FDA and CADA) will have no qualms about shutting down producers who violate the regulations that will put consumers at risk. 3. In my mind, there are parallels between medicine 150-200 years ago and now to GMO now compared to possibilities in the future. If you will recall, snake oils, unwashed doctors' hands, and pseudoscience were the norm before the good and bad was separated in medicine that in turn gave rise to the beauty that is modern allopathic and osteopathic medicine. Likewise, GMO is in its infancy and should be nurtured in order to better understand which portions are beneficial and which are harmful so that we don't squander the great potential of this relatively new science. In summary: Push more for standards and regulation and apply rigorous science to reap the benefits of genetic engineering. | |||
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11-07-2012, 10:45 PM
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^ Culpability for correct labeling was placed on the end retailers and there was no specificity as to what actually needed to be labeled, which would result in over-labeling to cover their asses to a point where it didn't even matter anymore since the whole thing would become diluted with labels about absolutely everything that could be considered "unnatural."
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11-07-2012, 10:46 PM
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What he said.
The astounding thing is not that the proposition didn't pass, it's that there are thousands of ill-informed voters across the country blaming California for making the right decision at this time. You can link Huffington Post's fancy diagrams all you want, but to the populace that's truly informed on the details of Proposition 37, you're a complete fool. You fell for the straw man argument, and embody the meat-with-eyes mentality that enables larger businesses to make massive capital gains - which they absolutely would have if this proposition passed as it was written. Thankfully, the larger part of California is smarter than you are, and knows that voting is a much more powerful tool than being informed by colorful Huffington Post diagrams.
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11-07-2012, 10:54 PM
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Looks like all these green countries fell for it too. Look man, it's a world market. When Hershey sells a candy bar in Europe they don't use GMO's because if they did they would have to label it as such and no one would buy it. So why should they sell the good stuff in Europe, and sell the GMO poison here in the states? Because they can and they make more profits. Why would they spend millions fighting prop 37? Because it protects their profits and that's the number one priority to them. That small business labeling burden argument is complete bullshit | |||
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