Zimmerman / Martin Shooting

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by Hollywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[I]-Zimmerman arrives at the complex/area and notices a person who he considers suspicious looking based on the person's attire, body language and general activity.

Your omission of the most obvious reason for his suspicion casts considerable doubt on the objectivity of your argument.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your omission of the most obvious reason for his suspicion casts considerable doubt on the objectivity of your argument.

What reason was that? Walking slowly in the rain?

[Kevlar]

People try to make it out like it Trayvon was innocently walking home with skittles and iced tea or what ever. Truth is he might have been walking home with his stuff and on the way casing some houses or cars to break into. Who is to say he wasn't one of the neighborhood banditos, just wasn't caught in the act.

[SirAlvarex]

The large public outcry put me immediately in Zimmermans corner (If a large percentage of the population believes something to be true, it probably isn't).

Then I got the facts, and I felt more Zimmerman was in the right.

I think the biggest indication so is how the arguments are being made. Those that support Zimmerman (or atleast not Trayvon) present facts and long allegories. Those that support Trayvon say everyone who doesn't is racist. Whether Trayvon was in his right to beat someone up or not, making such a point-blank statement defeats the credibility of the arguer.

However the prosecution must believe Trayvon was in the right. If they don't and they do character assassination to get a conviction they don't believe in, that's actually illegal (see Duke 2006 Lacrosse Scandal). So perhaps there is some evidence that hasn't been presented that proves Zimmerman was wrong.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However the prosecution must believe Trayvon was in the right. If they don't and they do character assassination to get a conviction they don't believe in, that's actually illegal (see Duke 2006 Lacrosse Scandal). So perhaps there is some evidence that hasn't been presented that proves Zimmerman was wrong.

The character assassination stems from the liberal media/gun grabber crowd.

[LordFresh]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your omission of the most obvious reason for his suspicion casts considerable doubt on the objectivity of your argument.

If I saw some kid with his hoodie up in the rain walking outside of my house I would keep an eye on him. If my street had issues with break ins like his does rest assured im not a pussy I would walk outside and call the cops and let the guy know im looking at him.

Reguardless of color of your skin your attire and the general idea that it is dark and raining makes you suspicious. ALSO it is not a crime to be rasist - even if he followed him because he is black wearin a klan uniform. What is a crime is assulting someone that confronts you with just words.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by LordFresh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reguardless of color of your skin your attire and the general idea that it is dark and raining makes you suspicious. ALSO it is not a crime to be rasist - even if he followed him because he is black wearin a klan uniform. What is a crime is assulting someone that confronts you with just words.

Not only is it not a crime to be racist, but it's questionable whether considering one's race and attempting to make a prediction about their intentions is a bad thing. What we're talking about here is prejudice, and Walter Williams discusses this topic with much more intelligence and wit than I ever could, so here's a video. The relevant part starts at 29:21 and goes for 5 minutes or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKgHc...ilpage#t=1761s

[Lucky]

Social culture predisposes minorities to criminal behavior. White people listen to emo, black people listen to rap. And music is what influences people to do things according to politicians and reporters.

[visage]

First : The black thug kid had a list of burglaries, theft, and fights. They also found traces of THC in his system. Mind you, it was a low amount ,however it shows he did do drugs that are considered "Illegal". Let's see a person with accounts of breaking the law all over at only age 17. Zimmerman with large lacerations in the back of the head. The black kid ended up with a hurt pinky and shot in the chest... I'm sorry put shit together it isn't difficult. You can sit there and say Zimmerman was a moron. However, I think given his background and aspirations with education , with a wife and etc. It shows he was just trying to do his job well to the point he wanted to be a bit of a hero. Quite frankly anyone can sit there and say what they would've done differently. I for one can imagine thinking clearly 100% to my rational thought , after having my god damn head smashed in to concrete over and over. If you can then power to you. Zimmerman will have to live with that kill for the rest of his life. Given his background I imagine it will cause a shit ton of guilt. As far as the charges go and justice. I can think of way worse stories and incidents that occur in the United stats of America. Than, this idiot punk ass kid flirting with the devil his entire adolescent life. Maybe if the black community rose up and raised their kids and evolved a little faster in the United States we can then see less of these types of things. However , this story isn't anything shocking or terrible. There are far worse stories of black injustices. This isn't one of them at all. Quite frankly I am sympathetic to the parents of Martin, but as far as Zimmerman serving time. I believe it's time served.

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[Theta]

Originally Posted by visage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First : The black thug kid had a list of burglaries, theft, and fights. They also found traces of THC in his system. Mind you, it was a low amount ,however it shows he did do drugs that are considered "Illegal". Let's see a person with accounts of breaking the law all over at only age 17. Zimmerman with large lacerations in the back of the head. The black kid ended up with a hurt pinky and shot in the chest... I'm sorry put shit together it isn't difficult. You can sit there and say Zimmerman was a moron. However, I think given his background and aspirations with education , with a wife and etc. It shows he was just trying to do his job well to the point he wanted to be a bit of a hero. Quite frankly anyone can sit there and say what they would've done differently. I for one can imagine thinking clearly 100% to my rational thought , after having my god damn head smashed in to concrete over and over. If you can then power to you. Zimmerman will have to live with that kill for the rest of his life. Given his background I imagine it will cause a shit ton of guilt. As far as the charges go and justice. I can think of way worse stories and incidents that occur in the United stats of America. Than, this idiot punk ass kid flirting with the devil his entire adolescent life. Maybe if the black community rose up and raised their kids and evolved a little faster in the United States we can then see less of these types of things. However , this story isn't anything shocking or terrible. There are far worse stories of black injustices. This isn't one of them at all. Quite frankly I am sympathetic to the parents of Martin, but as far as Zimmerman serving time. I believe it's time served.

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Uhh.. Zimmerman also had violent crimes in his past, as well as being sent to anger management for assault of a police officer. Plz do homework b4 racism.

Also, Zimmerman never identified himself as a "neighborhood watch captain." He just approached Martin (who was walking in his own neighborhood), began verbally harassing him, more than likely flashed his gun at Martin who reacted the way that he did.

Please, everyone trying to character assassinate Martin, put yourself in this situation: You're a black youth, approached by a large white guy who's calling at you, not identifying himself in any way whatsoever, you see his gun or he tries to grab you, and you defend yourself.

In this whole situation, Martin was defending himself so much more than Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. Zimmerman was reacting to the self-defense that Martin was enacting. Simply not lawful.