Contest for Reporting 2boxers?

[Vladigan]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Log off if you're going to AFK a long time.. simple enough... don't give them any reason at all to suspect you of boxing.

Obviously you never played a Magician and had to endure 20 casting and 20 malachite to summon a decent pet.

Not to mention, summoned weapons, bags, etc.

And exactly what is considered a "long time"? 5 minutes, 10, 15... where do you draw the line?

I believe this is a witch hunt as well. While some boxer's may be doing some negative things to the server, (i really have a difficult time understand what the fear mongering is about), I have to imagine there would also be good things about boxing... like having a port for your group when needed, missing a healer? Ill bring on my box, missing a tank? etc.

My friend and I boxed on live and we were very social and only used a box character when a real one wasn't available.

In the end the choice was made not to allow boxers for whatever reason, and we should all respect that no matter what our individual feelings are. I can also say that many of my friends stopped playing on this server because of fear of being falsly accused as boxing.

I stopped helping lower level people, out of fear of being labeled a boxer... and now I am afraid to go AFK, knowing that I may be deemed a "boxer"...

Frankly, I think if we put as much effort into developing the server as we do hunting for witches, we could make this more enjoyable for all.

In closing, I fear this will never happen since like most MMO, its not about you, its about what the other guys does or has that you should have... right?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

**Edit** Oh god, I managed to quote someone on my ignore list... if only I had logged in first I could have avoided trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone who is less than.... sigh.

[fischsemmel]

And lord knows there is probably no sort of compensation to wrongly-banned people, assuming they get the ban reversed and still even have the desire to play on the server.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And lord knows there is probably no sort of compensation to wrongly-banned people, assuming they get the ban reversed and still even have the desire to play on the server.

I do agree it sucks if you are wrongfully banned... but why in the world would they deserve compensation?

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but why in the world would they deserve compensation?

Isn't it pretty plain?

Consider this: a server crash is an event that is entirely out of the control of the GMs. But when the server crashes and people die, whether because they die at the moment of the crash or because they die when they log back in in a nasty spot when the server comes back up, the GMs offer rezzes. I.e. they compensate innocent players who suffered because of an event that was not the fault of the players OR the GMs.

Compare ^ to -> a wrongful ban is an event that is caused entirely by a GM purposefully typing in some command or clicking some button or whatever, which almost certainly causes an innocent player to miss out on much more than the time it would take to recover from a single death. But, presumably, there is nothing done for these people to make up for them getting totally screwed over by the errant banhammer.

A question that is far better than yours is "why in the world would they NOT deserve compensation?"


Of course I don't KNOW that anyone has ever been wrongfully banned. But I'd sure as hell put money on 1) yes there are people who have been wrongfully banned and 2) no the GMs don't do much/anything to make things right.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nonsense

The GMs offer rezzes as a bonus - they do not "owe" compensation, they merely care so they want people to be happy if it's not too much trouble - but they are not restoring anything that was wrongfully taken.

"Compensation" is a really poor word - and if you use it in its literal sense, compensation is absolutely never what actually happens on this server, because we are not customers. We are merely players who connect to their sandbox and they permit us to do so - but could deny us access for any reason whatsoever and not owe us compensation for a damn thing.

[fischsemmel]

This whole thing is obviously going nowhere fast, but I can't resist one more post before I go to bed.

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Compensation" is a really poor word - and if you use it in its literal sense, compensation is absolutely never what actually happens on this server, because we are not customers.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/compensate

There's no need for the word to have anything to do with being a customer, especially since the way I used the word is basically #5 on that list.

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GMs offer rezzes as a bonus - they do not "owe" compensation, they merely care so they want people to be happy if it's not too much trouble - but they are not restoring anything that was wrongfully taken.

Well... I'd like to argue along the lines of "In the context of p99, no. A GM turning you into a pegasus while you're peddling your wares in EC is a bonus, whereas something that the GMs make quite a point of providing every time there are server issues leading to character deaths is more of a 'we're sorry; let us make it up to you' thing."

But even if I didn't do that, ok, fine. We'll call those rezzes a bonus. And we'll go with your assumption that the GMs care about us players and that they want us to be happy, within reason.

Given these things I'm again going to have to ask "why in the world wouldn't someone who just got screwed out of playing days/weeks/months of p99 because he was banned for something he did not actually do deserve a 'bonus'?"

The dude got bent over because of a GM mistake/lack of diligence/ban frenzy. The least that could be done would be to give him an xp boost or some crap to help him get to the kind of position he'd probably be in right now if he hadn't been wrongfully banned for the last however long.


If you truly think that the rezzes provided after a server crash are bonuses for players that the GMs give out out of the kindness of their heart, but that the GMs shouldn't follow in a similar vein by giving some bonus to someone whose account they wrongfully banned... well yeah, I already said that I didn't think this was going anywhere.

[Flunklesnarkin]

the compensation is being allowed to play for free ;p

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the compensation is being allowed to play for free ;p

So if I shoot you, fully intending to kill you with that shot, but I only wound you... I can say we're even by not finishing you off? I can call not killing you compensation for having wounded you? ;p

[teekanc]

If you see a 2boxer or someone suspicious.. report them. I do all the time. No there should not be a reward, because then it would create all kind of drama, drastically increase the amount of petitions, 80% of them would be unfounded, and we'd have pissed off GMs.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I don't see how your analogy applies to P99 heh..


this is a form of entertainment.. the distributors can cut off anybody they choose.

They don't have a responsibility to serve everybody fairly and equally.

People can boycott them or not use the service if they think thats not right. Thats called freedom imo.


Although I'm sure they try to be fair and impartial.. at times I'm sure their decisions aren't always perfect.. but i refer you to their thread on GM decisions.. its their server their rules.


If you feel a decision was made in error.. use petition and exploits to get it reversed.. but always keep in mind they don't owe you anything.