EQ as it should have been?

[Holey]

Originally Posted by JerseyFresh609 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I would like to make a poll for this, not sure I can. Anyway I'm wondering how people feel about the server. You should fall into one of the following categories:

1. Classic - I want everything as close to classic as possible. Remove item links, etc.

2. As is - I'm happy with the way things are and trust those running the server to decide what's what.

3. Classic+ - As close to classic as possible but including things that improve the overall experience without affecting the game play: like item links, UI mods, Luclin Models, High res textures, etc..

4. As it should have been - Add/Remove things based on the best overall play experience even if these things affect game play (Though not in a MAJOR way), such as everything mentioned in 3 in addition to: removing xp penalties, adding chat channels, un-nerfing pet xp penalties, etc..


I personally fall in to the 4th category. I feel like things like pets stealing xp because it's "classic" even though it was reverted back on live because it was a bad decision is silly. XP penalties do nothing but make it harder on people and discourage people from playing or grouping with certain class/race combos. Chat Channels are just useful, they may cause EC to slow down but it's still player to player trades/haggling it's not like the bazaar that completely kills that. Anyway that's just my 2 cents, how do you all feel?

Also to those of you in charge, keep up the good work! I love this server and though I don't agree with all your decisions, I do appreciate that you all take your free time to help others enjoy themselves, for free. I've enjoyed the past couple months here and hope to enjoy many more.

if you want classic go make your own server. they're doing the best they can.

[sbvera13]

Originally Posted by Holey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you want classic go make your own server. they're doing the best they can.

Everyone keeps saying that... I have to assume they are not reading the responses?

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by sbvera13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone keeps saying that... I have to assume they are not reading the responses?

we are.. and everybody seems to want stuff a little differently.


So if you have your own special vision of how eq should be.. make your own server.


the tools are out there and they offer help.. the very same website you create an account to play on this emu.. has info on other emu as well.

[Leokaiser]

I think many of the people responding to those favouring option 4 with 'play on a different emu server' fail to understand the appeal p1999 has for us. We enjoyed the core mechanics of EQ - those mainly built around interdependancy and social interation - in spite of flaws which a large proportion of modern game designers would recognise as anti-fun.

As EQ developed, many flaws were ironed out, but many of the core mechnics of the game were also altered. I feel the same is true of many of the other emu servers out there. In effect, what you are suggesting is that we sacrifice core game mechanics in order to rid ourselves of certain balance/quality of life niggles. For people who value the core aspects of classic EQ so highly, I find this rather bizzare.

These seems to be a divide between people who play here to have fun and those who are straight up EQ Classic enthusiasts. And that's fair enough; it's fairly apparent that the developers themselves fall into the latter category. But please note that the people here are simply expressing their preferences - things that would make the server more fun for them on a subjective level - not making demands or trying to tell the developers what to do with their own project. To tell them to make their own server for expressing those preferences is both extreme and absurd.

The above also takes into account the fact that individual views on what constitutes a flaw in the design of classic EQ will vary, though some of the more notable ones seem to be agreed upon by the majority.

[Kika Maslyaka]

what is so extreme and absurd about making your own server?
I have been working on my own "Vision" server for last 3 years. When its done, it will be everything that EQ should have been but failed to deliver.
At least in IMO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to realize that Devs here are NOT SOE/Verant. The later, WERE occasionally listening to their players cause their salaries depended on players willingness to play and pay.

On Emu servers, devs don't need to sacrifice their "Vision" in order to please the "paying customer". Hence, the devs are even MORE adamant about sticking to their vision, and trying to tell them how YOU would like them to run THEIR server, usually only results in the Devs getting pissed at you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Even if you right [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Leokaiser]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is so extreme and absurd about making your own server?

Nothing is extreme or absurd about making your own server - clearly many people have, and hundreds, if not thousands of people enjoy playing on them. If you have an idea you feel would make for a great server, along with the time, drive and ambition needed to make it come to life, then all power to anyone who wants to try their hand at it.

But as a response to someone saying that, in regards to this server, they would prefer (not demanding) that there was no hybrid tax or pets could zone with you? It really is. We are talking about relatively minor issues here (hence why people still play despite a certain amount of grumbling about them), and having several p99 clones with slight modifications made is ridiculous, even discounting the fact that there are barely enough players to populate the emu servers already in exisitence.

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On Emu servers, devs don't need to sacrifice their "Vision" in order to please the "paying customer". Hence, the devs are even MORE adamant about sticking to their vision, and trying to tell them how YOU would like them to run THEIR server, usually only results in the Devs getting pissed at you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Even if you right [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think there is anything wrong with stating your likes and dislikes in a well mannered and reasonable fashion, as long as you don't expect the devs to actually implement your ideas. Forums are for discussion after all.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is so extreme and absurd about making your own server?
I have been working on my own "Vision" server for last 3 years. When its done, it will be everything that EQ should have been but failed to deliver.
At least in IMO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to realize that Devs here are NOT SOE/Verant. The later, WERE occasionally listening to their players cause their salaries depended on players willingness to play and pay.

On Emu servers, devs don't need to sacrifice their "Vision" in order to please the "paying customer". Hence, the devs are even MORE adamant about sticking to their vision, and trying to tell them how YOU would like them to run THEIR server, usually only results in the Devs getting pissed at you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Even if you right [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good deal if you need somebody to poke around your server a little bit just let me know.


I'll see if i can find any bugs ;p

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is so extreme and absurd about making your own server?
I have been working on my own "Vision" server for last 3 years. When its done, it will be everything that EQ should have been but failed to deliver.
At least in IMO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to realize that Devs here are NOT SOE/Verant. The later, WERE occasionally listening to their players cause their salaries depended on players willingness to play and pay.

On Emu servers, devs don't need to sacrifice their "Vision" in order to please the "paying customer". Hence, the devs are even MORE adamant about sticking to their vision, and trying to tell them how YOU would like them to run THEIR server, usually only results in the Devs getting pissed at you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Even if you right [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you happen to need any help with anything let me know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kika Maslyaka]

Let me clearly what is the dilemma here.

Back on LIVE if enough people would bug SOE to change/implement something, SOE would eventually back down and maybe meet them half way. But if you were in minority - you could only dream about something you like to be implemented.

On EMU - you actually have a REAL opportunity to do things EXACTLY how you want them.

No one is denying you the right of free speech, I am merely pointing out at the fact that, that ANYONE here has a freedom to start their own eq server and alter anything they think worth altering.

In other words what is happening is following:

1. This is a Purist Vision Classic server (minus the technical discrepancies like new UI, item links etc)
2. At least 50% of players that play here are PURISTS who came here to get exactly that - a Pure Classical server (lets call them group A)
3. SOME portion of the players (lets call them group B) like the idea of original EQ but would not mind to IMPROVE on it.
4. Now these players from Group B start making all these suggestions about improving classical gameplay that purists obviously don't like.

Now, listen careful as I am about to make a point: even if we assume for a moment that server Devs are influenced by democracy (right of majority), even then, the group B would loose to group A.
However, when people from group B are given option to do things their own way - split off and start their own project, they somehow consider it inappropriate.

So it appears to be, that group B, while desiring changes to the server, somehow wishes to impose them onto Group A, and have group A to accept them, despite the fact, that group A clearly opposes such changes.
I basing this argument on a logical assumption, that if YOU are proposing a change, you would like to see this change implemented, otherwise you would not be proposing it.
And when group B is presented with a counter offer of creating their OWN project, where group B will be a majority governing potential improvement of EQ, they find it unacceptable to them.

[Hitchens]

The FAQ plainly states that exp penalties exist:

What are the experience penalties/bonuses?
By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

By Class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

There is a handy sortable class/race matrix available to peruse. One thing to note is that exp penalties are multiplied not added: a troll shadowknight would be at a 1.4 (SK) x 1.2 (TRL) = 1.68 or 68% penalty. Until the July 2010 patch the racial exp mods were slightly off. Ogres were getting the halfling bonus instead of a penalty, .etc. Full details are available here.

If you can't take the time to read an FAQ before investing time in the game, the responsibility for being unsatisfied with experience penalties lies with you.