Proposal to the TMO leadership

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a TMO officer, but that is irrelevant in this discussion here. I was just talking about this with Diggle in IRC, actually. I don't speak for TMO, but this is my personal stance and I'm pretty sure I could get most of the guild behind me. Unless you guys aren't raiding together, it's one and the same to me whether it's IB or VD contesting our Trakanons. Y'all force us to camp in the lair for long and we might just stay there!

I love that you, as an officer, are threatening us with breaking the agreement your guild *demanded* 4 days ago, over what someone you demanded not be in the agreement will inevitably do as a result of you not letting them negotiate.

You're willing to go back to the miserable state things were in 3 months ago over 17% more free banked trakanon breastplates?

Honest question, did you not think VD would react unfavorably to you trying to boot them out of the rotation and acting like they're not a threat, or did you make this agreement as a stopgap knowing this would happen and planning to break it? I don't really see a third option, but I'm open to hearing one. Either you didn't think past your own noses about the consequences, or you don't actually intend to keep the peace.

TMO should know exactly how galvanizing it is to hear people call you a non-threat.

[Nizzarr]

text me please when IBs vp dragons spawns. I dont wanna miss that

[Xanthias]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

Your sensible post has no business being in RNF and IB will not understand it anyways.
However, any adult who doesn't spend their free time licking windows will probably understand our position now.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're willing to go back to the miserable state things were in 3 months ago over 17% more free banked trakanon breastplates?

Short answer: Yes

[Shiftin]

Why do you WANT to go back to having to engage a mob that spawns every 3 days within 1 minute? How many trak BPs do you need in your bank? Do you really not remember how awful camping there every 2 days and 6 hours was?

I just genuinely don't understand why youre setting the arbitrary bar at proving themselves using a horrible dynamic no one wants to exist as a benchmark. And then, your officers are saying if/when they do out mobilize you to your own traks, they will retaliate vs IB?

We do quite a few raids separately btw. Sky, epics, quite a few kunark dragons, Draco,

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

So, pray tell Xanthais, why does TMO get to dictate what the standards are for earning a spot in the rotation?

Wanna split back into TMO and DA and all four guilds can rotate? Or is the fear that neither TMO and DA can take down Trak on their own? Now to me, THAT would be an interesting rotation.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Short answer: Yes

Then I don't think we have anything further to discuss, as this qualifies you as a crazy person.

See you in VP next time zealot wants our whole guild to con yellow again.

[Lazortag]

So one of the "big guilds" is investing 10 times as many hours into the game, for much less than 10 times the amount of loot? Sounds like another ordinary day on project 1999.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, pray tell Xanthais, why does TMO get to dictate what the standards are for earning a spot in the rotation?

Wanna split back into TMO and DA and all four guilds can rotate? Or is the fear that neither TMO and DA can take down Trak on their own? Now to me, THAT would be an interesting rotation.

Two points:
1) During negotiations people make their demands/desires known and all parties come to some sort of compromise.

2) Are you saying that VD and IB are actually one guild?
Because last I checked DA and TMO weren't two separate guilds raiding together, but all under one tag after they merged...