Ventrilo: Did it progress or destroy the MMORPG experience?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My statement was never an analogy. Your failed observation is really stupid.

And here is the hallmark sign of a stupid argument - I have to actually define a basic, commonplace word:

Analogy: 1) a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They felt it necessary to remove target rings and spell sets but they allow and actually encourage the use of a 3rd party program that many people say gives a decided advantage to gameplay? It should be a bannable offense.

Similarity - two "features" which are "not classic" which apparently received different treatment
Comparison - VOIP represents a non-classic piece of technology which wasn't in the original game. Implied: using 3rd party programs is not classic and therefore bannable, as with MQ/ShowEQ/whatever. It gives an undue advantage - therefore it should be bannable.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be a dick. Just tell him a /loc if your anywhere near town.

It's just as easy for him to google or have bookmarks for town maps...It's not being a dick to refuse to help people who refuse to help themselves.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven't you ever asked a guy on the street what time it was? If he told me to go find my own clock i'd have to tell him to go f**k himself

Failed analogy. The guy on EQ obviously has internet access or he wouldn't be there. Not everyone on the street has access to a clock/watch/phone.

[pickled_heretic]

the difference between a voip server and ingame chat is pretty severe. you're usually only talking with guildmates or people you wanted to talk to in the first place on a voip server. if you can't be sociable with your guild over voip because you feel they are too immature, that either sounds like a personal problem or you joined the wrong guild.

[Fultun]

Or maybe I was making a general comment about the maturity level of the chat in game at most times.

[usedtobejubaloftorv]

I consider the lack of voice chat to be part of the hardcore difficulty factor that makes EQ appealing... and my experience is also that it was a lot easier to have a group of people act together in a disciplined manner WITHOUT voice than with it. With a voice channel there's always that one guy who uses it to distract rather than coordinate - maybe he just can't help himself but that's small consolation when you're picking up coffins in Neriak.

People with raid leadership experience both with and without voice chat will know what I mean... voice is a VERY mixed blessing for a raid/guild and can cause more problems than it can solve.

[pickled_heretic]

using VOIP while playing everquest was never a bannable offense. analogies or not, the anger you direct against VOIP is irrational and pointless.

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

using VOIP while playing everquest was never a bannable offense. analogies or not, the anger you direct against VOIP is irrational and pointless.

I was never angry with VOIP. I just don't think it has a proper place in "classic" everquest.

I am a little annoyed at having somebody call my comments stupid. That's probably what you are picking up on.

[Rasah]

It is an advancement if everyone is using Vent. If only half the people are using vent, then it ruined the game.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Rasah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is an advancement if everyone is using Vent. If only half the people are using vent, then it ruined the game.

wut

[Rasah]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wut

If everyone is using vent, it makes communication faster.

If only half the people are using vent, the people using it forget to tell the people that are not using it, and everything is a clusterf*ck. I see it happen every day.

That's wut.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Rasah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If everyone is using vent, it makes communication faster.

If only half the people are using vent, the people using it forget to tell the people that are not using it, and everything is a clusterf*ck. I see it happen every day.

That's wut.

most guilds that do anything here require VOIP. The ones that don't still have huge VOIP attendance (90%+) even if it's not mandatory. people who refuse to use VOIP are probably just excluding themselves from doing anything with one of the bigger guilds.