How I group people into one of two categories.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posted my top 10 RPG list in 2006 on the FOH boards:

"1. ffvii
2. chronotrigger
3. symphony of the night
4. suikoden II
5. breath of fire III
6. xenogear
7. ffiii
8. star ocean II (look, i agree with you and i'm sorry)
9. ocarina of time (if that doesn't count then Fallout II)
10. everquest "

Baller status earned.

[Honest]

oooo i forgot all about Breath of Fire III. Anyone ever play any of the dragonquest games?

[Harrison]

Wizardry 5 people. l2map with graphing paper!

[Tommy_Wiseau]

good list azeth and sotn is greatest game of all time imo

[Xadion]

do not get me started on castlevania azeth


rondo is NOT god!

[Xadion]

mardur, you do realize that espers started the 'everyone can get everything' its just 6 everyone had a unique ability and did learn certain things faster and whom stats generaly aimed to a type of class, and yes before espers fully opened up to all it was 'standard' classes

anywho, I agree with you...and same in mmo's I like group balance..not wow lets all dps!

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mardur, you do realize that espers started the 'everyone can get everything' its just 6 everyone had a unique ability and did learn certain things faster and whom stats generaly aimed to a type of class, and yes before espers fully opened up to all it was 'standard' classes

anywho, I agree with you...and same in mmo's I like group balance..not wow lets all dps!

Yeah, I know what you mean about 6. That's why generally when I play a new game I never equip espers. Even with the esper system, characters still felt very unique from each other. This is mostly because a) the "class" abilities were usually very powerful and useful and b) stat / gear choice. FF6 starts to go in the shitter in the World of Ruin, since everyone can just spam super powerful magic all day long. Enemies do the same thing, so the game quickly becomes about using characters who can use the best items (in other words, who can obtain 128 MBlock through equipment). But in the world of balance, there's a huge difference between characters like Gau and Cyan and I can really appreciate that. Especially before espers, characters are very unique and one-dimensional (in a good way). FF7's materia system just allows you to swap abilities among characters willy-nilly.

FF6: Do I bring Celes with her magic abilities and superior defensive equipment, or Sabin who can destroy things with his Bum Rush ability?

FF7: Do I want to bring the chick who punches things, or the guy who shoots things?

[Feachie]

i like this thread. my first rpg was dragon warrior, got it with my nintendo power subscription in 1988.

my favorite rpg's in no particular order:
castlevania: sotn
secret of mana (seiken densetsu 2)
dragon quest
legend of dragoon
chrono cross (chrono trigger is yet another good but overrated game, glenn just happens to be my love)
d20 modern
blue dragon
ffiv
suikoden
and if we're considering ocarina of time an rpg...metal gear solid :P

final fantasy IV was my favorite final fantasy. VII was ok, but it's a cookie cutter squaresoft rpg at this point.
final fantasy 8, x2, 11, 12, 13...sucked. imo they lost what made the ff series final fantasy. square just needs to hire akira toriyama for their next rpg and stop trying to release huge cinematic events, just fucking make a good game.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Feachie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i like this thread. my first rpg was dragon warrior, got it with my nintendo power subscription in 1988.

my favorite rpg's in no particular order:
castlevania: sotn
secret of mana (seiken densetsu 2)
dragon quest
legend of dragoon
chrono cross (chrono trigger is yet another good but overrated game, glenn just happens to be my love)
d20 modern
blue dragon
ffiv
suikoden
and if we're considering ocarina of time an rpg...metal gear solid :P

final fantasy IV was my favorite final fantasy. VII was ok, but it's a cookie cutter squaresoft rpg at this point.
final fantasy 8, x2, 11, 12, 13...sucked. imo they lost what made the ff series final fantasy. square just needs to hire akira toriyama for their next rpg and stop trying to release huge cinematic events, just fucking make a good game.

your opinion doesn't matter after you talk about how Chrono Trigger is overrated.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your opinion doesn't matter after you talk about how Chrono Trigger is overrated.

How is chrono trigger not overrated?

None of the characters are very well developed or even engaging, there's little subtlety in the game and all of the side quests and encounters are completely spelled out for you with no room left for the player to figure things out on their own. In other RPG's in its era you actually had to think for more than 2 seconds to get by some of the more difficult parts in the game, whereas Chrono Trigger was generally way too easy. I also didn't feel the time travel element of the game was handled very well (I remember some chests where if you opened them in the past, you could still open them in the future for example... I know it's small but it's still kind of lame and makes the game less immersive).

I did really like that one world with the really advanced civilization that I think was around ~15000 BCE or something. That's probably one of my favorite parts of any RPG. The rest of the game seemed a lot less inspired though.