Discussion: Loot and Scoot (LnS)

[Yukahwa]

Thats why its okay to have rules discouraging it further so that those that defy the social norm can be punished in whatever way. Almost all of the time..like you said, it won't be any sort of issue.

[Harrison]

"It isn't even an issue 99% of the time!"

*rule enforcing LnS discussed as a possibility*

"RAAAAGE OMG THATS SO DUMB IT WILL FILL UP PETITIONS"

You guys are fucking geniuses.

[beentheredonethat]

what is LNS and PNP? I've played eq years ago, so don't remember most of the terms anymore.

[Humerox]

loot and scoot
play nice policy

[beentheredonethat]

thanks, i know what acronyms stand for (i saw it in the thread). I just don't know what it means.

pnp I'm assuming an honor code for "dont intentionally piss people off". but I have no idea what lns is.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thanks, i know what acronyms stand for (i saw it in the thread). I just don't know what it means.

pnp I'm assuming an honor code for "dont intentionally piss people off". but I have no idea what lns is.

Ahhh...

Loot and scoot meant that a player - or group of players - would allow you to recover your corpse after he/they killed you, provided you left the zone as a result of your loss. You would generally /tell them with "LnS?",and he/they would either be nice and say "come and loot up"...or not...meaning you risked being rekilled if you attempted a recovery without help.

Play nice policy was actually a SOE policy that covered multiple issues like training, camps, etc. A bunch of rules...PnP later evolved to mean just be cool with everybody and don't be an idiot. My interpretation, anyway.

[Arshis]

Tallon Zek
Loot and Scoot is a player rule. Not all guilds/players honored this rule and for good reason. (see more @ A) The only time I had ever seem a GM intervene with Pandemonium's (a Tallon Zek Guild) obsessive corpse camping habits were during POP when we started to take shifts corpse camping 'notable' players in opposing guilds. We literally camped corpses of singular players until they rotted, in return officers got yelled at by GM's (threats to disband the guild were made) and the persons corpse who was camped was refunded their equipment. I remember being corpse camped for 3 days myself, petitioning just wasn't something people did back then because we know GM's wouldn't respond. I know Pandemonium never let guilds Loot and Scoot because they would just loot up and come back in and attack us during a Boss encounter.

I think overall a majority of Tallon honored the LnS rule. If you didn't want to get corpse camped you didn't stay in zones with people you knew didn't honor the system. If Linse was in the crypt you didn't go into the crypt unless you were ready to be camped for 40 hours during his farming binge.

A) People don't always keep their promise to loot and scoot. In fact from my experience about 30% of the people would come back and jump you anyways.


Off Topic
Btw Did anyone else feel like GM's vanished around Mid-Kunark on Tallon Zek? We started to see new GMs the kind that just cycled though 10 servers a day. So they had no idea how to deal with the PVPers. hehe

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It isn't even an issue 99% of the time!"

*rule enforcing LnS discussed as a possibility*

"RAAAAGE OMG THATS SO DUMB IT WILL FILL UP PETITIONS"

You guys are fucking geniuses.

Ask Sirken how much of his time was consumed with idiotic PnP shit. It burned out several GMs, and eventually the corrupt GM / favoritism / frivilious petitions got him too (if I am not mistaken, I seem to remember him quitting but was done with VZ/TZ at that time).

[dusk883]

On Tallon Zek (didn't read any other replies here so don't if this is covered), the LnS "rule" was in no way "enforced" by anyone but by players/guilds - at least for Naggy and under mobs even if there was some funny drama with the Naggy/Vox events.

On TZ through Kunark, my experience remembers that you could do whatever you and your guild wanted to do. Corpse Camping, train, whatever. I'm sure there was SOME intervention maybe here and there but it wasn't until Frogs were in the game when we had some eyes on the server. I was caught in GF as my Frog wiz standing in a puddle of a certain player's corpses before I had my first, "You can't do that. We'll see you in 3 days!" and boom I was gone.

The player enforced "rule of law" worked well, IMHO, at least at the lower levels. I spent only a little time in the Planes during EQ/Kunark days and it was pretty much the same there, too. In fact, I think it added to the fun as I remember at least 1 guild was created to chase assholes, CCers, BCer's, etc. The Knights of the White Rose one time zoned into a Hate (or Fear) guild raid I was in one time and ooc'ed something to the effect of, "WE FOUND YOU.... TONIGHT you die and we avenge those who you BR'd, CCed blah blah blah"... well, they failed that night but it was certainly an "oh SHIT" moment when they zoned in after us.

My opinion: we don't need babysitting, the rule of law will find its own culture by the players. Adds drama to the game and we all love game drama I think.

[dusk883]

Additional: I don't think CC'ing should be "illegal" either. If someone's going to CC you, just log out and level up your alt for an hour. I found it amazing how many times a player will fall into the trap of getting his corpse knowing he'll get ganked again, not that I did a lot of CC'ing (guild tag would decide that, or if your name was Xcelon) but the guild chat whines, 'I've been tryin to get my corpse for 4 hrs1!?" Really? IMO you bring a friend when needed or just play a diff char for a while. CC'ing brings the potential for bigger pvp fights, too. One guild vs another over some level 12 corpse camping, sometimes you could get 20 vs 20 fights.

Then again, if there's exp loss for pvp death, then that maybe changes the stakes. No exp loss for pvp death? Let the players do what they do. Liberty baby.