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[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm confused: that link I found looks pretty live, and their Discord has 19,128 members (1,590) live, with people actively talking about the game even today. It doesn't look very "imploded" to me, and again Wikipedia reported that they were back up about a month after the event you mentioned (just rebranded as "Elysium Project 'Nighthaven'").

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Odd, when I do that same exact query, I don't get an AI explanation ... but I do see https://elysium-project.org/news/165...e+Announcement as the very first link. And it's not just Google who thinks it's still active: if you click the Discord link on that site, it has almost 20k people ... are they really all there for a sever that's been dead for seven years?

If I keep going in the search results, the next one is a Reddit from the time you mentioned (seven years ago) called "Project Elysium is no more: Admin stole server funds ...". Proves your point, right?

Except, I also see a far more recent Reddit (three years ago) asking "Any *Fresh* Vanilla WoW servers? elysium seems to be kinda old". Why are people looking for a fresh take on the "old" Elysium ... in 2022 ... when it imploded in 2017?

[Bisonzabi]

I think the biggest impact in all of this is that because it spooked the shit out of so many other server owners, you're going to see less incentive for custom made content. Quarm mused around the idea of making a fork of a new miniature expansion and an undead froglok race ect, but due to the contract agreement that the owner made with DBG, that won't ever happen.
(https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...19107.53.5.pdf

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the biggest impact in all of this is that because it spooked the shit out of so many other server owners, you're going to see less incentive for custom made content. Quarm mused around the idea of making a fork of a new miniature expansion and an undead froglok race ect, but due to the contract agreement that the owner made with DBG, that won't ever happen.
(https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...19107.53.5.pdf

Agreed: the staff here talked about adding custom content many years ago, and I always hoped it would happen after Green 2.0. With everything that's happened, I have a hard time seeing DBG let them even add a new tradeskill recipe, let alone a new (or rather, revamped) zone.

[red_demonman]

Wonder if all this bullshit effects the chances for a new P99 server. Probably.

[Infectious]

Everyone here would've done the same shit THJ did. Akka writing dear John letters when he was hosting the server is laughable. Don't even get me into the garbage servers this guy put together(In 18 years BTW lol).

[Bisonzabi]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone here would've done the same shit THJ did. Akka writing dear John letters when he was hosting the server is laughable. Don't even get me into the garbage servers this guy put together(In 18 years BTW lol).

Except they wouldn't. This is common sense not to profit off other IP's unless you're specifically donating for keeping the server up. Even in the mod making community for other games whether its OG Doom, Half-Life or Skyrim ect, there's a common held tradition to always credit or obtain consent to utilize another modders assets whether its code or art if you plan to publish it on major sites, even if there is no financial incentive. And if by chance there is financial incentive like forming a team to build a game on an open sourced engine, you best make sure as shit that none of your co-developers are adding a sliver of code or any other form of asset that are copyrighted material (see: stolen) from another game, unless said assets are as well public domain (EQ1 is filled to the brim with public domain sound effects for example)

[Xathos53]

The THJ crowd will continue to deny that its monetization is what caused the lawsuit. They will then continue to claim that THJ is just an emu like any other emu while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise. As we've already seen, they've attempted to blame DBG for shutting down other servers when in truth DBG did not do so.

So, here we are with THJ folks lying their asses off. Nothing new under the sun. They brought this on themselves, so fuck them.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Xathos53 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise..

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[Bones]

Originally Posted by Xathos53 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The THJ crowd will continue to deny that its monetization is what caused the lawsuit. They will then continue to claim that THJ is just an emu like any other emu while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise. As we've already seen, they've attempted to blame DBG for shutting down other servers when in truth DBG did not do so.

So, here we are with THJ folks lying their asses off. Nothing new under the sun. They brought this on themselves, so fuck them.

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.