How do you justify not paying for EverQuest?

[Duik]

A lottery player effectively enters into an agreement that they wager their 20 bucks, along with millions of others, hoping that they will be the winner. Everyone enters the same agreement.

The tactics of many corporations and their CEOs is to use predatory techniques to manipulate circumstances tjat are simply beyond the ability of us normies. Even given the chance to screw millions of people out of their worth I'd like to think i wouldnt.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stealing is wrong

What did I steal? I purchased the game for playing on the live servers. The company managing the IP has given permission for p99 to operate. Using the game I purchased to play on servers sanctioned by the IP holder is stealing?

[Ekco]

permission was given like 2 owners ago, someone named EG7 owns the IP now, that agreement hasn't been valid since like 2018 or something

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tactics of many corporations and their CEOs is to use predatory techniques to manipulate circumstances tjat are simply beyond the ability of us normies. Even given the chance to screw millions of people out of their worth I'd like to think i wouldnt.

But you ironically don't want artists to make games unless they have a CEO to do that for them. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you ironically don't want artists to make games unless they have a CEO to do that for them. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's impossible to create anything without someone at the top to confiscate almost all the value for themself.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's impossible to create anything without someone at the top to confiscate almost all the value for themself.

Not the case with crowdfunded indi games made by the creator.

But those are "grifts" so its either CEO's or grifters.

Like the absolute irony of saying, "people should take a risk and invest in their company themselves" and then say "people built these companies take no risks".

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not the case with crowdfunded indi games made by the creator.

But those are "grifts" so its either CEO's or grifters.

Like the absolute irony of saying, "people should take a risk and invest in their company themselves" and then say "people built these companies take no risks".

There’s a fairly popular youtuber I used to follow called Kira (I believe) that used to do vids about crowdfunded games that became scams

The devs made all these grand claims, collected a pile of money via crowdfunding, then dropped off the map. Apparently as long as they occasionally offer a tiny scrap of communication and updates, they can avoid the class action lawsuit by claiming “hey, I’m still working on the game, this isn’t fraud categorically”

But the games end up being vaporware. But this isn’t all crowdfunded games obviously. I remember hearing that Larian studios that made the super successful BG3 used to use crowdfunding back in the day

[shovelquest]

Crowdfunded games are scams.

Publicly traded companies that can afford to make games are evil.

Art should be free.

That's just the way modern young people think.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you ironically don't want artists to make games unless they have a CEO to do that for them. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How you leapt to that conclusion I'm not sure.
Sure, some crowd funded stuff worked as intended. Asked for capital. Created something acceptable in an acceptable timeline. All good.

Pantheon Gall of the Risen is clearly not one of those. No matter how badly you want it.

Young people (in general) and people who badly want to believe are gullible as fuck as it turns out. They believe all sorts of faff. One of you even mentioned many watch the YT ads so "the creators get a payday". Really? Get a fucken job motherfucker.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How you leapt to that conclusion I'm not sure.
Sure, some crowd funded stuff worked as intended. Asked for capital. Created something acceptable in an acceptable timeline. All good.

Pantheon Gall of the Risen is clearly not one of those. No matter how badly you want it.

Young people (in general) and people who badly want to believe are gullible as fuck as it turns out. They believe all sorts of faff. One of you even mentioned many watch the YT ads so "the creators get a payday". Really? Get a fucken job motherfucker.

I feel like what it is now is perseverance.

Like, you had a dev team of artists and game devs that really, REALLY wanted to complete this game, and through adversity, bummer crowd funds, the death of the creator, and they actually shipped a game people are really getting hooked on YouTube.

It really shows how dedication, passion, and artists and creatives can make their dreams come true.