People who buy money on MMO sales sites.

[soup]

Originally Posted by PurelyElf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's so bad about buying coin for rl cash if they allow people to purchase characters? All the coin farmers do is cause inflation, which happens anyway. Players like me will always be poor compared to people that spend their time farming and playing the market, so a little more inflation brought about by chinese sweatshops hardly makes a difference. imo ofc

Well other than the legal implications, the fact that you could have someone with zero clue how to play buying characters. I mean, that could still happen now, but it's less likely given that you need to farm up a shitload of plat to buy a decent character, which requires playing a lot, or receiving a generous gift.

I do hate the Chinese farmers though. I remember in vanilla WoW I used to spend hours in that little area south of Light's Hope in EPL griefing the 20 China farmer rogues that would always hang out there. After about 15 minutes you'd start getting tells like "ni hao.... you plz stop kill?" and I'd say "Okay, sorry!" then proceed to rape them some more. They'd try to gang up like 5 on you all at once and still DIAF because all they know how to do is farm gold. That was some fun shit right there.

I suppose I could feel like a dick since doing that could cost them their bowl of rice to eat for dinner, but fuck it, survival of the fittest and shit.

[alexandervaccaro]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose I could feel like a dick since doing that could cost them their bowl of rice to eat for dinner, but fuck it, survival of the fittest and shit.

good stuff.

[PurelyElf]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really dig this. It's like saying YOU want the person behind the character to always be the same, so that's how it should be. As if the fact that I spend all this time leveling up a character and then decide I want to play something else is irrelevant, because of YOUR expectations for that character.

I don't really care who digs what. People are gonna sell plat and characters no matter what; it's an unfortunate truth. Anyway, I leveled to 60 and got my epic on live, why can't I be GM pl'd to max and given my epic here? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And why are high level noobs such a big deal? Free kills in pvp IMO.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, spending money on a hobby is so stupid.

Sounds like some poor people are super jelly.

yeah cuz the whole point of everquest is to start at level 60 with all ur gear so u can fuck up on raids that u dont even need to attend.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...you could have someone with zero clue how to play buying characters.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the Mayong server on live (survived about a year). Players made a character, but all characters started at Level 51 and had 50 AAs to spend on starting.

If you entered a 51 group (usually Plane of Innovation or something) you'd see all sorts of crazy stuff... SKs who could FD but not work out how to stand up again, hardcore overnuking wizards, shammies that didn't know what their slow spell was.

... and that was just me! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] (I jest)

Great server in its time, whispers of it getting shut down effectively dropped the population to such a low point that it actually got shut down. Was a good community at its peak though, if fickle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[soup]

Originally Posted by PurelyElf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really care who digs what. People are gonna sell plat and characters no matter what; it's an unfortunate truth. Anyway, I leveled to 60 and got my epic on live, why can't I be GM pl'd to max and given my epic here? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And why are high level noobs such a big deal? Free kills in pvp IMO.

It just kinda sounds like the disappointment is more about people not playing rather than the actual exchanging of a character for plat.

As far as easy PVP kills, noob stomping is fun, but it can make things boring too lol. I'm an avid TF2 player, and they just made the game free to play, and the shit isn't even fun right now. It's like playing against bots on the easiest setting, so ridiculous lol. You can spin in circles holding down the mouse button and kill everyone pretty much.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the Mayong server on live (survived about a year). Players made a character, but all characters started at Level 51 and had 50 AAs to spend on starting.

If you entered a 51 group (usually Plane of Innovation or something) you'd see all sorts of crazy stuff... SKs who could FD but not work out how to stand up again, hardcore overnuking wizards, shammies that didn't know what their slow spell was.

... and that was just me! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] (I jest)

Great server in its time, whispers of it getting shut down effectively dropped the population to such a low point that it actually got shut down. Was a good community at its peak though, if fickle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose the comedy offered is a decent positive aspect of it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Doors]

Someone showed me a website that sold items/money/accounts for only p99. These things costed hundreds of dollars. Gave me a really good laugh that people would spend 400 dollars on platinum here on a private server.

Sadly I forgot the website. I wouldn't link it here even if I could remember it but the person who linked it to me said they already put it in the petition/exploit forums before.

[bonehand]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well other than the legal implications, the fact that you could have someone with zero clue how to play buying characters. I mean, that could still happen now, but it's less likely given that you need to farm up a shitload of plat to buy a decent character, which requires playing a lot, or receiving a generous gift.

Just because someone has played class X a lot doesn't mean they know how to play class Y. I now show you the 101 power leveled morons with uber mains and 0 melee skill...

As for 'the legal implications' everyone wants to quote. Is there a documented case in the world where legal action has been taken against a TOS/EULA/Copyright breaking emulator server, where said operator was successfully sued for the actions of their clients in regards to RMT? I cannot find anything...

Also, who cares if someone buys or sells stuff? You work, you watch the kid, you mow the lawn, you are busy 80-100 hours a week doing other stuff. If one decided to spend $100 on 50K or whatever, isn't that really their choice? Sure, it may be especially bannable on p99 since the devs really don't have anything better to do than worry about TMO and TR fighting over a dervish spawn...but on WoW or EQ2 or RIFT? The buyer never gets noticed. Buying is ignored, it is the selling that tends to be bannable...

Anyway, all those gold sellers on all those sites are the same people you see listing items on the ECT Threads. If you don't think all those uber guilds farming CoF or FT's aren't selling those in ECTunnel to maintain their RL lifestyles, you are mistaken. I know of two Live guilds where the bankers sold millions weekly, when 1 million went for $1000 on live...serious cash flow. Or people here using your 60 Druid to 'PL' a 'Friend' up to 50+ and selling for 60K in a thread? What you gonna do with that money with no account? Oh, you have two IP's! Three IP's? (It's only $20 a month for 5 IP's from Comcast) Ya, that's not a gold seller...or against the rules...oh, it is.

So, it's the same here, and denying that reality just makes you all look silly.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by bonehand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because someone has played class X a lot doesn't mean they know how to play class Y. I now show you the 101 power leveled morons with uber mains and 0 melee skill...

As for 'the legal implications' everyone wants to quote. Is there a documented case in the world where legal action has been taken against a TOS/EULA/Copyright breaking emulator server, where said operator was successfully sued for the actions of their clients in regards to RMT? I cannot find anything...

Also, who cares if someone buys or sells stuff? You work, you watch the kid, you mow the lawn, you are busy 80-100 hours a week doing other stuff. If one decided to spend $100 on 50K or whatever, isn't that really their choice? Sure, it may be especially bannable on p99 since the devs really don't have anything better to do than worry about TMO and TR fighting over a dervish spawn...but on WoW or EQ2 or RIFT? The buyer never gets noticed. Buying is ignored, it is the selling that tends to be bannable...

Anyway, all those gold sellers on all those sites are the same people you see listing items on the ECT Threads. If you don't think all those uber guilds farming CoF or FT's aren't selling those in ECTunnel to maintain their RL lifestyles, you are mistaken. I know of two Live guilds where the bankers sold millions weekly, when 1 million went for $1000 on live...serious cash flow. Or people here using your 60 Druid to 'PL' a 'Friend' up to 50+ and selling for 60K in a thread? What you gonna do with that money with no account? Oh, you have two IP's! Three IP's? (It's only $20 a month for 5 IP's from Comcast) Ya, that's not a gold seller...or against the rules...oh, it is.

So, it's the same here, and denying that reality just makes you all look silly.

You didn't look hard enough.

Look for information about various WoW private communities that got hammered by legal teams, hard.