14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[MrSparkle001]

We have this weird fetish with guns in the U.S.

Can't even ban them because few will turn them in and there are too many out there.

We also have a horrible track record with treating mental illness, which is what is causing these yearly mass shootings. It's not the guns, it's the fucked up kids. There are way, way more responsible gun owners that don't go out mass shooting people.

There is no solution to this. The guns are here to stay because there are too many rednecks that love their guns and hunting and other redneck shit.

But on the plus side, when Red Dawn happens it will be tougher to conquer the red states lol.

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[Botten]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no solution to this. The guns are here to stay because there are too many rednecks that love their guns and hunting and other redneck shit.

Just make it more wide spread to be able to sue a gun maker.

And take a page from the Texas anti-abortion bill. Anyone who sees another using a gun (who is not an on duty law enforcer) irresponsibly can sue for money.

People still have the right to bare arms but citizens help to police others and punish irresponsible gun manufacturers.

Done

But what if the person who had the gun gets killed and can’t be sue. This will happen but eventually less guns will be made by manufacturers since it won’t be worth it to make them. Parts seller providing key parts of a gun for manufacturer would be subject to be sued also. And ppl making your own guns go at it (they won’t be mass produced, probably faulty and you run the risk (if even given out) of being sued.)

[unsunghero]

The mental health system can’t prevent these kinds of things

There have been multiple mass shooters, including the one before this, that were detained temporarily in a psychiatric facility and questioned, then released

The ONLY shooters the mental health system can stop are ones too psychotic to understand the benefits of lying to professionals. So maybe someone like Jared Loughner could have been stopped if his university 51/50/Baker Act’d him. Or possibly the Aurora movie shooter could have been stopped that way, although he was functioning at a level where his brain could still comprehend the benefits of lying and do it convincingly

What have I said multiple times on these forums? For the mental health system to work, it requires the patient coming from a place of honesty. Honesty about what their thoughts are and what they have been doing. If someone lies, the entire system breaks down and cannot help them. And there is a lot of lying which makes the system seem impotent. Either lying to manipulate the system or lying to escape/avoid it

Someone with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying cannot be prevented from doing something like a mass shooting

[loramin]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying cannot be prevented from doing something like a mass shooting

So did we not have criminals "with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying" prior to the 1980's? And do other countries not have such criminals?

Because we didn't have mass shootings (of the modern variety) prior to that, and other countries have no such shootings, or far fewer (per capita) than us ... and those facts seem to directly contradict your point.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So did we not have criminals "with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying" prior to the 1980's? And do other countries not have such criminals?

Because we didn't have mass shootings (of the modern variety) prior to that, and other countries have no such shootings, or far fewer (per capita) than us ... and those facts seem to directly contradict your point.

This is horse shit. No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america, unless you get REALLY specific and selective with which statistics you're including. In a country this large, they are still *extremely* rare, and there are FAR more defensive uses of guns to save lives every year than to commit violent crime.

Also as usual dems have nothing to say about their insanely violent cities that already have extremely tight gun laws.

Everyone agrees it's horrifically sad that this happened, it's just that's usually not a good time to draft policy. Human nature is nothing if not impulsive and short sighted.

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is horse shit. No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america, unless you get REALLY specific and selective with which statistics you're including. In a country this large, they are still *extremely* rare, and there are FAR more defensive uses of guns to save lives every year than to commit violent crime.

Also as usual dems have nothing to say about their insanely violent cities that already have extremely tight gun laws.

Everyone agrees it's horrifically sad that this happened, it's just that's usually not a good time to draft policy. Human nature is nothing if not impulsive and short sighted.

What about compared to modern countries like Spain and Japan? If you exclude Yemen, Syria, and places like El Salvador, we’re pretty high up on the list

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about compared to modern countries like Spain and Japan? If you exclude Yemen, Syria, and places like El Salvador, we’re pretty high up on the list

people in spain and japan keep their personal lives to themselves instead of shoving it in everyones face because every single one of them thinks they're the big boss daddy like over here.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america, unless you get REALLY specific and selective with which statistics you're including.

Can you share the statistics you are referring to?

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you share the statistics you are referring to?

No but google can, you bad faith mofo. I have a policy: I do not provide specific links to stats that are easily googled when I know with 100% certainty you'll find some reason to ignore them anyway.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you share the statistics you are referring to?

lol