Rules regarding camps when someone has gotten the named spawn

[Zenren]

So here's how these camps work now...

"Just got my idol, someone come out and replace me."
"I'll be right there."
"Cool. There's some <whatever guild I don't like> scrub here right now, so hurry it up."
"I'm here."
In chat- Sorry man he had the camp after me.

How is that fair? There should be a list for these camps like every other camp. If you leave the next person on that list should get the camp. You should have to declare when someone messages you who is next in line and if you fail to within a timely manner, then they automatically get the spot when you leave. You should not be able to hand down a camp in perpetuity, never giving another person/guild a chance at that camp. This is the fair way to manage a camp and there should also be a time limit for how long you can remain at a camp farming. You should not be able to stay til your bags are full if the item is needed by a lot of people. Monopolies are not classic and were never intended to happen, regardless of how the game is today.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zenren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So here's how these camps work now...

"Just got my idol, someone come out and replace me."
"I'll be right there."
"Cool. There's some <whatever guild I don't like> scrub here right now, so hurry it up."
"I'm here."
In chat- Sorry man he had the camp after me.

How is that fair? There should be a list for these camps like every other camp. If you leave the next person on that list should get the camp. You should have to declare when someone messages you who is next in line and if you fail to within a timely manner, then they automatically get the spot when you leave. You should not be able to hand down a camp in perpetuity, never giving another person/guild a chance at that camp. This is the fair way to manage a camp and there should also be a time limit for how long you can remain at a camp farming. You should not be able to stay til your bags are full if the item is needed by a lot of people. Monopolies are not classic and were never intended to happen, regardless of how the game is today.

It's not fair, and that's fine. P99 is not designed to be an easy loot train where nothing matters like most MMOs. P99 can be unfair, and that is one of the charms of it. If you want fair go play another MMO with instancing, you've got the option of basically every other MMO out there.

If you want a shot at the camp, wait there and look for an opening, as I said before. The camping party does make mistakes, and you can swoop in if you catch them being AFK for too long.

[Zenren]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not fair, and that's fine. P99 is not designed to be an easy loot train where nothing matters like most MMOs. P99 can be unfair, and that is one of the charms of it. If you want fair go play another MMO with instancing, you've got the option of basically every other MMO out there.

If you want a shot at the camp, wait there and look for an opening, as I said before. The camping party does make mistakes, and you can swoop in if you catch them being AFK for too long.

So your argument sounds a bit masochistic and I don't think represents the majority, but rather the small minority that benefit from the current camp rules.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zenren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your argument sounds a bit masochistic and I don't think represents the majority, but rather the small minority that benefit from the current camp rules.

I really don't understand where you get this presumption everybody is on your side. People have been asking for instancing for many years before you started posting here, and it hasn't happened.

Obviously those people are in the minority, or you would see instancing or lists/rotations everywhere. The evidence factually does not support your argument. Can you show me the data to support the idea most people agree with you?

Also, the majority of camps are not monopolized, so the majority of players do benefit from the current camp rules.

I am not sure why you care so much about one monopolized camp that isn't even necessary for 95% of the game's content. It isn't even strictly required for raiding, you could make due without it.

Finally, it is not masochistic to want a non-instanced game with unfair mechanics. That was a fairly common game design practice for the time. Some people like the game design of older games, including myself. I am not a fan of every MMO being an instanced WoW clone. They are boring and you get no feeling of accomplishment.

Let me ask you, why are you so opposed to playing TLP? It will fit your idea of fairness perfectly, and you get to play Everquest at the same time.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Zenren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So here's how these camps work now...

"Just got my idol, someone come out and replace me."
"I'll be right there."
"Cool. There's some <whatever guild I don't like> scrub here right now, so hurry it up."
"I'm here."
In chat- Sorry man he had the camp after me.

How is that fair? There should be a list for these camps like every other camp. If you leave the next person on that list should get the camp. You should have to declare when someone messages you who is next in line and if you fail to within a timely manner, then they automatically get the spot when you leave. You should not be able to hand down a camp in perpetuity, never giving another person/guild a chance at that camp. This is the fair way to manage a camp and there should also be a time limit for how long you can remain at a camp farming. You should not be able to stay til your bags are full if the item is needed by a lot of people. Monopolies are not classic and were never intended to happen, regardless of how the game is today.

First off, no you can’t tell someone to leave after they get a drop. You are allowed to farm the camp as long as you want if it’s your camp. That’s classic EQ. If you don’t like it go play somewhere else and quit whining here (I’d note this rule also will advantage you when you get the camp that you’re trying to get right now because you want to farm idols to sell to raid guilds).

Second, with respect to lists sure if you go to the camp and ask if there’s a list and they say yes they have to tell you who is ahead of you. That’s always been a rule. If they say there’s currently no list then you are entitled to say ok I’m next and wait until they are done with the camp and then take it for yourself; what you’re not entitled to do in that situation is say okay then I’m next and then go off into the world doing whatever you want and expect the person at the camp to wait until you get there to hand it off to you. When the person is done and you’re next on the list you get the camp if you’re there to take it…they can of course decide to be nice and wait until you get there to pass it to you, but they have no obligation to do so once they’re done with the camp…if you’re not there then you can lose the camp to the person behind you.

Imagine posting all these whiney comments because you’re upset someone else is farming the items to sell to raiding guilds and so you’re missing out on price gouging raiders for it. Are you an adult????

[strongNpretty]

How i picture some douche bags around here entering camps that they don't own or have rights to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8zO_DV09QE

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by strongNpretty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How i picture some douche bags around here entering camps that they don't own or have rights to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8zO_DV09QE

How I picture a guy that failed all 3 servers

[strongNpretty]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How I picture a guy that failed all 3 servers

I'm still not quite understanding where the hurtful part of your typical comment is? Saying I have more priorities in life than I do time to play vs you having no priorities in life, and more than enough time to play..

I guess as an adult, i'm not quite sure why you think that's considered winning? It's very confusing to me.

By all means i'm not here to make fun of you cause you have insane amounts of playtime.. It's more to to educate you, that i'm not quite sure where you think this is humiliating to somebody?

How much time you have today? I'm available to listen to your problems if you need-

[Samoht]

You're so focused on this one camp that you're trying to act like this happens everywhere else.

It doesn't.

Build a bridge and get over the idol camp. Raiding guilds don't need you to sell idols to them one at a time.

Find somewhere else to make 500pp.

[Zenren]

It is absolutely not just the Idol Camp. There are a lot of camps monopolized by the same player/guild 99% of the time. This isn't conjecture, but factual. This needs to change. One person/guild should not have the ability to monopolize the game play, simply because they can keep handing the camp over to the next in line. My feeling is that the rule should be, create a list, keep to the list, and if the next person on the list isn't able to respond in 10 minutes once the camp is up, then they lose their position on the list. This would prevent bat signaling and monopolization. It's a very simple fix.