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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for someone to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which they're body is capable.

You may QUOTE me on this.

Also can I get a source for the Socrates quote? I would very much like proof he actually said such a thing. Also I doubt very much he spoke English. So can we please get it in original coptic, or Greek, or whatever?

All I could find was this, from some Reddit philosophy nerd:

“ Sokrates never wrote anything down, so all we know about him is how he is described by others. These accounts offer limited information about his life and don't always agree on his philosophies. Apart from the contemporary parody of Sokrates in Aristophanes' Clouds, we mostly rely on the philosophical dialogues written by two of Sokrates' students, Xenophon and Plato. Whether these authors represented Sokrates' views accurately or merely used him as a mouthpiece for their own ideas is debated. Whether their image of Sokrates as an ugly, poorly dressed, ostentatiously poor old man matched the reality is up for grabs.

So, when we get a quote like this, how can we know whether Sokrates really said it, let alone whether he lived by it? Unfortunately, we can't really know for sure. What we can do, though, is work out how likely it is that he held this view, and if so, how likely it is that he held himself to it. To do this, we need to consider the context of the quote.

This context is, in fact, a very short Sokratic dialogue by Xenophon (Memorabilia 3.12). According to the text, Sokrates ran into a young acquaintance of his named Epigenes, who was out of shape. Sokrates told him he ought to go do some exercise. Epigenes replied, "But I'm not an athlete." At this point Sokrates chewed him out.

The main point of Sokrates' argument, however, is not that men owe it to themselves to train their bodies so they can look their best. The quote you cited (3.12.8) is little more than the cherry on the cake, a closing line meant to convince Epigenes by appealing to his vanity. The entire rest of the argument is that Epigenes owes it to the state to train his body, because otherwise he will be useless in war. Epigenes should think of himself as an athlete, Sokrates argues (3.12.1), because he will have to fight for his city, and the only way to be a good fighter is to get fit”

There’s more to the post but this is the part that best explains the quote

[starkind]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I could find was this, from some Reddit philosophy nerd:

“ Sokrates never wrote anything down, so all we know about him is how he is described by others. These accounts offer limited information about his life and don't always agree on his philosophies. Apart from the contemporary parody of Sokrates in Aristophanes' Clouds, we mostly rely on the philosophical dialogues written by two of Sokrates' students, Xenophon and Plato. Whether these authors represented Sokrates' views accurately or merely used him as a mouthpiece for their own ideas is debated. Whether their image of Sokrates as an ugly, poorly dressed, ostentatiously poor old man matched the reality is up for grabs.

So, when we get a quote like this, how can we know whether Sokrates really said it, let alone whether he lived by it? Unfortunately, we can't really know for sure. What we can do, though, is work out how likely it is that he held this view, and if so, how likely it is that he held himself to it. To do this, we need to consider the context of the quote.

This context is, in fact, a very short Sokratic dialogue by Xenophon (Memorabilia 3.12). According to the text, Sokrates ran into a young acquaintance of his named Epigenes, who was out of shape. Sokrates told him he ought to go do some exercise. Epigenes replied, "But I'm not an athlete." At this point Sokrates chewed him out.

The main point of Sokrates' argument, however, is not that men owe it to themselves to train their bodies so they can look their best. The quote you cited (3.12.8) is little more than the cherry on the cake, a closing line meant to convince Epigenes by appealing to his vanity. The entire rest of the argument is that Epigenes owes it to the state to train his body, because otherwise he will be useless in war. Epigenes should think of himself as an athlete, Sokrates argues (3.12.1), because he will have to fight for his city, and the only way to be a good fighter is to get fit”

There’s more to the post but this is the part that best explains the quote

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[Trexller]

people have to many places to hide today.

No, its not genetic.
No, its not a disorder.
No, its not psychological.
No, its not a product of media body image.
No, you are not "ok" just the way you are.

You are a fatty fat fuck, you ate yourself into that condition. No amount of outward blame will make you a thin bikini model. You will still be ugly, even if a miracle occurs and you thin out.

Now that you can admit this, feel free to drown your sorrows in 5 lbs of mac n cheese, and finish that off with 2 gallons of ice cream.

No, i do not hope this helps.

[unsunghero]

My fantasy, Kayleigh McEneny as press secretary calling on reporter Chanel Rion from One America News network

[unsunghero]

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[starkind]

Time for sweat pants to shave her head and get a job on an oil rig or maybe a Waylend Yutani space freighter.

Anyway there's not really a good reason to not look our best. Sorry if I double negged there.

I feel like crap. Yet I still engage in self care and want to feel and look beautiful. I am sick and tired of jerkwads on the left dictating my idea of beauty as wrong. Immoral. Or selfish. They can lead by example and stfu.

However most outright neglect themselves in every way and are hyperfocused on what everyone else looks and sounds like.

Ever been called a bobblehead blonde? That's hurtful. Yet I'm proud of my rarely expressed yet bubbly personality side. Beating it down to get Serious McSlaughterface Sarge. Isn't the right thing to do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time for sweat pants to shave her head and get a job on an oil rig or maybe a Waylend Yutani space freighter.

Anyway there's not really a good reason to not look our best. Sorry if I double negged there.

I feel like crap. Yet I still engage in self care and want to feel and look beautiful. I am sick and tired of jerkwads on the left dictating my idea of beauty as wrong. Immoral. Or selfish. They can lead by example and stfu.

However most outright neglect themselves in every way and are hyperfocused on what everyone else looks and sounds like.

Ever been called a bobblehead blonde? That's hurtful. Yet I'm proud of my rarely expressed yet bubbly personality side. Beating it down to get Serious McSlaughterface Sarge. Isn't the right thing to do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did you shower yet?

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did you shower yet?

I've been actually working out the last 3 days soaking myself in sweet sweat. I am laying here in crippled agony and wearing the same dress I have been for the last week.

My face is clean. My hair brushed. And my room is being cleaned, and I have a new desk to assemble.

I really wanted to shower yesterday, and it's a high priority today as well. It's rough though.

I still managed to clip nails yesterday.

I'd like to shave pits too. Really miss my epilater.

Just because I'm struggling doesn't mean I don't care. And I don't need to be pampered, get an eyebrow threading. Or oil my poor scaley feets.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been actually working out the last 3 days soaking myself in sweet sweat. I am laying here in crippled agony and wearing the same dress I have been for the last week

“No mighty blade is forged without pressure and heat”

- Durham Proverbs

[starkind]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

“No mighty blade is forged without pressure and heat”

- Durham Proverbs

Back into the flame.