If you could make a new class for p99

[Hasbinbad]

Equally or lesser geared Paladins and Shadowknights work as well - if not better - as tanks than warriors for any grouping situation currently available, as far as I know.. At the higher levels, Monks are doing quite well now when properly geared out as well.

Other than that, I agree that Tank/Cle/Enc is by far the strongest base for a group. This base hardly makes irrelevant the other classes, rather it allows them to fulfill their potential. Shamans, rogues, monks, necros, etc., all come into their own when paired with this group base. Sure, you can DO stuff with an alternative base, but give me a tank/cle/enc base to start from and I guarantee I will clear a given camp more efficiently than your Shaman/Ranger/Bard base..

SHOULD it be that way? Fuck yes. This is fucking Everquest, not your stupid made-up game. Nobody wants to play your stupid made-up game bro. Take that shit to Blizzard, maybe they will change WoW for you, as they are wont to do.

This thread is about fantasy classes for EVERQUEST, not your dumb ideas about your stupid made-up games.

Like I said, WoW is that way: ------>

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Equally or lesser geared Paladins and Shadowknights work as well - if not better - as tanks than warriors for any grouping situation currently available, as far as I know..

Undead. I mean sure yeah, we would always run with the tanks that could better handle undead in those places, but doing like KC on the castle with a well equipped warrior was pretty easygoing (though Pal/SK in the back). I mean by 50, everyone is pretty well equipped, so the SK or Pal probably would need to be twinked beyond belief I guess, but so too could the warrior be. But for most of the expansions, there wasn't a whole lot of good undead spots, though I lost track after titanium.

Same as the deal with drui/rng and using harmony, which is really good compared to the enc, but only good outdoors which is more rare for groups than good high exp dungeons where harmony doesn't work. Even then, it's not so great w/o the enc there for mind crack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, WoW is that way: ------>

If you so desperate, please go, they are waiting for you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tyrrion]

I love how every extremely overpowered suggestion is prefaced with "cloth-wearer" like that is all the justification you need.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Undead.

No. Spell taunts > taunt. HP pool doesn't really matter with a good cleric, unless yer in a raid situation.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. Spell taunts > taunt. HP pool doesn't really matter with a good cleric, unless yer in a raid situation.

Sure, my mains on live were ranger and cleric. My buddies that I camped with the most were pally(w/drui alt), wizard and warrior. Even on my ranger with the warrior I often had to back off, and same went for our pally, as spell damage took aggro. Always breaking away to save the wizard of course. Damage shields only on the warrior helped a lot, along with cleric or pally buffs. On my Cleric I always rather see aggro on our warrior, but especially when we lacked an enchanter. If you have 2 of the 3, you can do well, but 3 seemed to work the best for what we hunted, though it was hard to keep enchanters around later on when they could just loiter in town and sell crack. Then again we were not twinked, not even on our alts (when we could), so we played by the natural strengths of the classes.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, my mains on live were ranger and cleric. My buddies that I camped with the most were pally(w/drui alt), wizard and warrior. Even on my ranger with the warrior I often had to back off, and same went for our pally, as spell damage took aggro. Always breaking away to save the wizard of course. Damage shields only on the warrior helped a lot, along with cleric or pally buffs. On my Cleric I always rather see aggro on our warrior, but especially when we lacked an enchanter. If you have 2 of the 3, you can do well, but 3 seemed to work the best for what we hunted, though it was hard to keep enchanters around later on when they could just loiter in town and sell crack. Then again we were not twinked, not even on our alts (when we could), so we played by the natural strengths of the classes.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Skope]

I'd make dwarf a class.

Give them really big axes that they throw, always in a drunken rage.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the hell are you talking about?

HP pool does matter. Add resistance and damage shield to the warrior improves the situation by keeping aggro well enough. Still comes down to warrior, enchanter and cleric (then add DPS'), while I never saw warrior interchangeable with other tanks but in a few situations. Speaking along the lines of full groups of course, and taking red con on the norm. Guess that's why they called it the holy trinity, was pretty exclusive for some time on only the three.

So as far as dreaming up additional classes, still comes down to DPS, or it throws off the balance and makes for solo player classes, or destroying existing classes that can do nothing else than their single designed role for the most part.

And that is why my main pick is Arcane Archer, as it's a solid DPS class, which EQ having no real archer class for some time.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tank/Cle/Enc is by far the strongest base for a group. This base hardly makes irrelevant the other classes, rather it allows them to fulfill their potential. Shamans, rogues, monks, necros, etc., all come into their own when paired with this group base.

SHOULD it be that way? Fuck yes. This is fucking Everquest.

Yes, this is Everquest...and until the later levels it is NOT required to have a Tank/Cleric/Enchanter setup to play the game. Game balance started straining at the end of Original EQ and then went completely awry with Kunark era. You also don't seem to recognize that the Original Vision behind Everquest was never completely fulfilled. The game as it was is not the game that it could have been. Much room for improvement. My class changes add more flavor to every single class and make the game more interesting (and balanced), while adhering to the ideal Everquest was striving for.

I find your assertion of "this base hardly makes other classes irrelevant" to be incorrect. When it's not possible to not even play the game, in a fun and fruitful manner, because you are lacking specific classes that are needed for most of the later content...yes, that makes many of the others classes rather irrelevant, aside from being called upon now and then to perform whatever little tricks they can do. Not only do you need the Tank/Cleric/Enchanter base, you need at least one other melee DPS aside from your Tank (ideally Rogue or Monk) on top of that. Then of the remaining 2 party members, more melee DPS or a Shaman are the desired classes. SK's/Bard's are more often second picks, the INT casters aside from Enchanter are not wanted, Rangers and Paladins are not wanted, and Druids are not wanted. The "required based" doesn't allow other classes to fulfill their potential, it just makes it harder for them to fulfill their potential because they have to wait for that exact setup to come along before they are allowed to be useful.

Ideally all classes should be approximately valuable. Clerics, and any other class, should only be a requirement against the God/Dragon type encounters. The only way to balance the classes without them losing their flavor, as in WoW, is to give them significantly different abilities (not just in name) and playstyles. And the only way to allow for distinctly different abilities and playstyles, of the amount that supports having this many classes in the game, is to make it so that there are MANY ways to approach combat, not just "Tank one target at a time, DPS it, and C-Heal".