It's not ok to diagnose people and prOscribe medications.

[Cecily]

Really they're miracle drugs that give people their lives back.

[unsunghero]

You can keep pasting paragraphs about TD. In 14 years and thousands of patients I’ve seen it one time, in a 60yr old man who had been prescribed Halodol for 10+ years

It’s not even remotely common. I can’t even call it rare. It’s basically almost non-existent

But paste a few more paragraphs on it whenever

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can keep pasting paragraphs about TD. In 14 years and thousands of patients I’ve seen it one time, in a 60yr old man who had been prescribed Halodol for 10+ years

It’s not even remotely common. I can’t even call it rare. It’s basically almost non-existent

But paste a few more paragraphs on it whenever

Your thousands of schizophrenic patients on antipsychotics? Or was it more like 100-200 schizophrenic patients on antipsychotics? So with an annual TD incident rate of 0.9% on second generation antipsychotics, you have have seen up to two cases? Or was it 100 schizophrenics on antipsychotics in 14 years? Was it that many? Or was that just a super useful anecdote?

1% annual rate is small until you think of a million people getting prescriptions for SGAs. It's quite a bit higher for first gen. And that statistic doesn't account for lifetime risk to an individuals. It's hardly insignificant.

Furthermore, doesn't it make you feel bad at all that the treatment used induced a permanent motor disability in even ONE individual under your care?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your thousands of schizophrenic patients on antipsychotics? Or was it more like 100-200 schizophrenic patients on antipsychotics? So with an annual TD incident rate of 0.9% on second generation antipsychotics, you have have seen up to two cases? Or was it 100 schizophrenics on antipsychotics in 14 years? Was it that many? Or was that just a super useful anecdote?

1% annual rate is small until you think of a million people getting prescriptions for SGAs. It's quite a bit higher for first gen. And that statistic doesn't account for lifetime risk to an individuals. It's hardly insignificant.

Furthermore, doesn't it make you feel bad at all that the treatment used induced a permanent motor disability in even ONE individual under your care?

No absolutely would not feel bad if ONE person developed something like a movement disorder because they would have had the risk of this communicated by their doctor and accepted that risk as an adult, and it would also be a failing of their doctor to notice this developing side effect as well. Then there’s the consideration that UNTREATED SCHIZOPHRENIA, the alternative, would have left them as a homeless person yelling at buildings and running from shadow people until they killed themself, which is a very real possibility. So what’s a better life, Cecily? Movement disorders or a brain permanently caught in a nightmare of hallucinations making a person unable to function as an adult or causing them to kill themselves

And these aren’t people under my care. I’m coming in and temporarily assisting them. They have a clinic with a case manager, they are under their care. And yes, hundreds of them for years and seen it once

[unsunghero]

Look I’m tired of arguing with a moron

If you want to tell people in whatever medical position I dread you getting, that antipsychotics are terrible and advise family members and patients to just suffer through the symptoms of schizophrenia without pharmacological assistance that’s on you

Even if you don’t have a conscience that will care about the harm you are doing, I hope the clinic you end up working for has good liability/malpractice insurance

It’s your call, Tom Cruise

[Cecily]

*smacks lips*

I don't think it's possible for you to consider that psych drugs might actually be causing illness. How would that be possible? A medical doctor prescribed it. Adderall is psychosis as Wellbutrin is to bipolar.

First, assume no liability.

I don't see why you're being abusive to me for stating the FACT that extended treatment with antipsychotics carries a significant risk of developing permanent, debilitating side effects which are 100% due to the use of antipsychotics.

[starkind]

They probably see people a few days out of the year to set up whatever welfare and disability they will be on for the rest of their lives while they rapidly deteriorate and die from personal neglect and suicide.

I have more hallucinations since the drugs they put me on. The difference being I know that shit isn't real. Those drugs fucked me up. And gave me more. Just permanently wrecked my brain and perception.

I was a gorgeous 6/10 in great shape. All they had to do was give me something to chill out with instead of leaving me trapped with someone giving me PTSD panic anxiety attacks. So that I could put my therapy to use, my DBT and zen to use. And so that I wasn't constantly reinjuring and wiping myself out trying to cope with situations that where dangerous and stressful.

That person is gone outa my life. My life is better. It's not easier. It's better. My long relationship with my long time housemate has improved. Things are better. My relationships with acquaintances are better. I'm less suicidal.

The drugs didn't help and chipped away at my capacity to cope. I have a great wisdom and deep understanding of dealing with emotional hardship.

The problem isn't, wasn't me. That doesn't mean that I can't do better. I can certainly tell you in my case drugs are unhelpful.

I made this thread because of whale biologist tho. It's not really about people addicted to serotonin.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They probably see people a few days out of the year to set up whatever welfare and disability they will be on for the rest of their lives while they rapidly deteriorate and die from personal neglect and suicide.

I have more hallucinations since the drugs they put me on. The difference being I know that shit isn't real. Those drugs fucked me up. And gave me more. Just permanently wrecked my brain and perception.

I was a gorgeous 6/10 in great shape. All they had to do was give me something to chill out with instead of leaving me trapped with someone giving me PTSD panic anxiety attacks. So that I could put my therapy to use, my DBT and zen to use. And so that I wasn't constantly reinjuring and wiping myself out trying to cope with situations that where dangerous and stressful.

That person is gone outa my life. My life is better. It's not easier. It's better. My long relationship with my long time housemate has improved. Things are better. My relationships with acquaintances are better. I'm less suicidal.

The drugs didn't help and chipped away at my capacity to cope. I have a great wisdom and deep understanding of dealing with emotional hardship.

The problem isn't, wasn't me. That doesn't mean that I can't do better. I can certainly tell you in my case drugs are unhelpful.

I made this thread because of whale biologist tho. It's not really about people addicted to serotonin.

I know I lost my mind on Adderall. I sure AF wasn't getting monthly follow ups. The shitty thing is, my QoL was better even though I was getting progressively more and more paranoid and feeling palpable "darkness" internally on a daily basis. Thank fucking god I thought to myself.. I'm not really in touch with reality anymore. Is this psychosis? Was doing a lot better 3 days later.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I lost my mind on Adderall. I sure AF wasn't getting monthly follow ups. The shitty thing is, my QoL was better even though I was getting progressively more and more paranoid and feeling palpable "darkness" internally on a daily basis. Thank fucking god I thought to myself.. I'm not really in touch with reality anymore. Is this psychosis? Was doing a lot better 3 days later.

Bubroprion was the worst. I really did try to kill myself because of that drug and it really enabled me. Manic or not it was the purely logical course of action and Bubroprion made me fearless and help me ignore the pain. That's not even an antipsychotic.

I had been using some antipsychotics offlabel to deal with the stressful abuse and PTSD an individual was putting me through, but they just stopped working and all I was getting was the side effects and the anxiety went through the roof because I was sick, vulnerable, and helpless.

Without the support of my therapist I was on a fast track to haloperidol and a permanent in patient facility. Thankfully people backed me up, called the police, and I was able to get a grip on myself without my abuser around. So they let me go. No medication.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bubroprion was the worst. I really did try to kill myself because of that drug and it really enabled me. Manic or not it was the purely logical course of action and Bubroprion made me fearless and help me ignore the pain. That's not even an antipsychotic.

I had been using some antipsychotics offlabel to deal with the stressful abuse and PTSD an individual was putting me through, but they just stopped working and all I was getting was the side effects and the anxiety went through the roof because I was sick, vulnerable, and helpless.

Without the support of my therapist I was on a fast track to haloperidol and a permanent in patient facility. Thankfully people backed me up, called the police, and I was able to get a grip on myself without my abuser around. So they let me go. No medication.

Lies. More lies. There is no such thing as permanent committals, you would’ve had to have committed a major crime such as murder due to a mental illness

COT is reviewed yearly, and inpatient is the most expensive option. So even if you were forced into inpatient for 1 year (the longest and most rare), that would be up for review in a year. And you are always allowed to get an attorney and appeal it whenever u want

What antipsychotic were you prescribed? I’m curious