DPS War - Yes/No

[Kika Maslyaka]

I agree with baalzy conclusions - there is no way ranger can out-dps a warrior, with lower skill caps and no crit bonus

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with baalzy conclusions - there is no way ranger can out-dps a warrior, with lower skill caps and no crit bonus

on rare occasions it happens but yeah basically being a ranger sucks shit when it comes to hitting high level mobs.


EDIT:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...d=61984#753908

Technically rangers just don't get as high as offense, but offense plays the biggest role in making the whole damn thing works... sucks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Fists]

pickle does not have steel hilted flint dagger!

[username17]

I've posted already, but I wanted to give some more info behind my reason for selecting the re-roll option.

Last night in my OT group we ended up having 2 warriors in our group. One of them knew he was less geared than the other so he opted to DPS. He then tanked a few mobs to drop himself down to berserking and the other well geared tank took over.

This warrior had a heck of a time staying in berserking.

He was constantly fighting with the healer NOT to heal him. But then he'd pull aggro and ask for a heal. He wasn't obnoxious about it or anything but I think there was a lot less room for error.

I think the big unanswered question is who would be at fault if the berserking warrior died?
He was the one fighting to stay in berserking. Not being the tank made him less than #1 priority on heals.
Who knows. But maybe that's another point for discussion.


The DPS warrior couldn't chain pull while the other warrior tanked because he would get beat on and almost die.
He did some fancy big numbers here and there (I can't speak to actual dps) but overall it seemed to be a worrying experience between him and the healer.

I think that he pulled his weight as a group member. He was flexible and able to do SOME dps while another warrior tanked. But I don't think trying to stay in berserker 100% of the time and only DPSing as a warrior would work.

My 2 cp. Take it as you please.

[Mardur]

That's the point. Having a permazerk warrior takes a bit of cooperation from the healers/warrior but the extra dps is worth it when you're spamming out 400+ hits.

[username17]

I still don't think it will work.
What about AoEs, casters the tank can't pick up, respawn popping on your head, etc. Your health pool provides a buffer so you can react to things like that.

If you run around at ~30% HP there's a much higher chance of you dieing to a resisted mez, respawn, etc.

Edit: Let me put it this way, if I were a healer I wouldn't want you. Being a rogue, I really don't care. I think your big numbers are cool, just like my backstabs.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by username17 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've posted already, but I wanted to give some more info behind my reason for selecting the re-roll option.

Last night in my OT group we ended up having 2 warriors in our group. One of them knew he was less geared than the other so he opted to DPS. He then tanked a few mobs to drop himself down to berserking and the other well geared tank took over.

This warrior had a heck of a time staying in berserking.

He was constantly fighting with the healer NOT to heal him. But then he'd pull aggro and ask for a heal. He wasn't obnoxious about it or anything but I think there was a lot less room for error.

I think the big unanswered question is who would be at fault if the berserking warrior died?
He was the one fighting to stay in berserking. Not being the tank made him less than #1 priority on heals.
Who knows. But maybe that's another point for discussion.


The DPS warrior couldn't chain pull while the other warrior tanked because he would get beat on and almost die.
He did some fancy big numbers here and there (I can't speak to actual dps) but overall it seemed to be a worrying experience between him and the healer.

I think that he pulled his weight as a group member. He was flexible and able to do SOME dps while another warrior tanked. But I don't think trying to stay in berserker 100% of the time and only DPSing as a warrior would work.

My 2 cp. Take it as you please.

This is another unconventional situation I would do without, especially in low level groups. It would be unfair to the healer who may be inexperienced to keep a warrior flirting below 30%, and have to worry about the rest of the group as well. When the warrior drops from an add, aoe, or taking aggro, that's a waste of dps, and makes the entire situation a waste of time.

I've leveled to 60 and have done almost every 6 man camp so far without having a need for a warrior to stay in berserker. I believe i've only seen it once, in a group with mardur in KC.

If you're messing around with your buddies or are in a group where the healers don't mind, then that's fine. Don't expect the high risk situation to be a favored idea by most. It's just really unnecessary.

[Spud]

Originally Posted by Frytard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi i want to create a gnome warrior not to tank but just dps with a fist of zek/wyrmslayer or wyrm/wyrm - (will have RGB) gonna have mostly str/dex focus items instead of ac/hp. I would stay under 40% the whole time for the group to maximize the dps.
If you saw in shout: "Gnome DPS Warrior LFG NO TANKING" Would you...

reroll a Halfling DPS Warrior. You get an exp bonus plus you can HIDE!

Too bad it doesn't work like evade though haha...

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I thought the thread called dps warriors was about warriors tanking...

My point is, who gives a fuck if a warrior gets aggro? Yeah, you lose DPS, but now you're tanking. Either way, you're being useful to the group. A rogue tanking is worthless, which is why they need to be able to dump aggro. If a warrior can tank and do dps, why is it bad for him to do both? I don't choose between being a buffing and a healing cleric.

The critical hits are huge dmg bonus, if the war gets aggro repeatedly why would you want a DPS warrior in your group instead of a rogue? Also, if your trying to keep the warrior in the critical health range they could die if they get aggro.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on rare occasions it happens but yeah basically being a ranger sucks shit when it comes to hitting high level mobs.


EDIT:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...d=61984#753908

Technically rangers just don't get as high as offense, but offense plays the biggest role in making the whole damn thing works... sucks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a SIGNIFICANT note, those skill caps are from 2004 - thats GoD Era

up until Luclin ranger caps were 15-25 points lower than warriors on all weapons

[Maurk]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warriors DPS what they wanna