If you wear a mask for any reason

[BiG SiP]

My condolences elf

[Raev]

Originally Posted by American Association of Physicians

AAPS is completely funded by membership dues and contributions, so we answer to and advocate for our physician members and not big corporate donors or government funding sources.

I can't believe you not only wrote an entire essay on why it would be dangerous for you to read peer-reviewed scientific papers that might contradict the Corporate/Government narrative, but then had the temerity to claim that my ignorance is killing people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

[Raev]

Oh wow, I'm reading the Atlantic hit piece on the AAPS and I can only say that I like them more.

The association has promoted an array of discredited theories: childhood vaccines cause autism, illegal immigrants spread disease and abortion causes breast cancer, among others.

All of these are obviously true except the last one, which is true but not obvious.

Regardless of what you personally think about the AAPS, though, they are posting peer reviewed scientific papers, not their own personal opinions. It's just a collection of information. Refusing to read it because it might change your mind is basically admitting to intellectual impotence.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh wow, I'm reading the Atlantic hit piece on the AAPS and I can only say that I like them more.



All of these are obviously true except the last one, which is true but not obvious.

Regardless of what you personally think about the AAPS, though, they are posting peer reviewed scientific papers, not their own personal opinions. It's just a collection of information. Refusing to read it because it might change your mind is basically admitting to intellectual impotence.

Lol this comment gives anyone everything they need to know about your level of intelligence. I actually did laugh out loud when you posted this to support your argument.

But the good thing about people like you is this: if there weren't any stupid people, we'd all have the same amount of shit. Fortunately, people like you exist so that we intelligent people are valued more highly (i.e. paid more) to work in certain positions/industries.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh wow, I'm reading the Atlantic hit piece on the AAPS and I can only say that I like them more.



All of these are obviously true except the last one, which is true but not obvious.

Regardless of what you personally think about the AAPS, though, they are posting peer reviewed scientific papers, not their own personal opinions. It's just a collection of information. Refusing to read it because it might change your mind is basically admitting to intellectual impotence.

And btw, you didn't respond to my overall point at all. Interesting.

What is the downside to wearing a mask when you're inside in public places? How does that negatively affect your life in a substantial way? We can debate data and sources all we want, but the fact of the matter is there is data that shows it could be helpful. So why not just wear it on the off chance that it is helpful? It doesn't really affect you negatively to do so. I know it will be hard for you to form a coherent argument, but I'd really like to hear a coherent argument as to why you wouldn't wear the mask for the next couple months (until the vaccine is more widespread) just in case it helps.

[Soothsayer]

Masks help. The weight of evidence from authoritative academic sources increasingly favors this statement. Do your fellow countrymen a favor and just wear the damn mask. Are some of you really so utterly selfish that you're willing to selectively ignore this and potentially endanger the lives of others? Do you honestly not care about your fellow man enough to at least do something that may very well protect him or her? Go ahead - cherry-pick the articles that support your point of view. Hell, I could cherry-pick an article that says microwaved food causes cancer. Does that make it so?

The fact that masks are a hot-button political issue in the United States is a stunning testament to our collective moral failure as a nation. And unless you're a researcher with truly in-depth knowledge of how disease transmission works, do what the overall academic consensus tells you to do. I'm willing to bet that most of you have no credentials and no expertise on the subject.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Soothsayer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Masks help. The weight of evidence from authoritative academic sources increasingly favors this statement. Do your fellow countrymen a favor and just wear the damn mask. Are some of you really so utterly selfish that you're willing to selectively ignore this and potentially endanger the lives of others? Do you honestly not care about your fellow man enough to at least do something that may very well protect him or her? Go ahead - cherry-pick the articles that support your point of view. Hell, I could cherry-pick an article that says microwaved food causes cancer. Does that make it so?

The fact that masks are a hot-button political issue in the United States is a stunning testament to our collective moral failure as a nation. And unless you're a researcher with truly in-depth knowledge of how disease transmission works, do what the overall academic consensus tells you to do. I'm willing to bet that most of you have no credentials and no expertise on the subject.

Is this post about the flu, sars cov-1 or sars cov-2? I need to know which one you're talking about before I can berate you for being a bad person.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this post about the flu, sars cov-1 or sars cov-2? I need to know which one you're talking about before I can berate you for being a bad person.

Again, neither of you selfish and moronic individuals have been able to make a coherent and intelligent argument for why it's an issue for you to occasionally have to put on a mask (i.e. when you're indoors in a public place and not eating/drinking) just in case the data about it helping to reduce spread is accurate. Still waiting.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Soothsayer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are some of you really so utterly selfish that you're willing to selectively ignore this and potentially endanger the lives of others?

Approximately 300,000 people in the US have died "of" COVID. Most of them are octogenarians with multiple comorbidities, and the official numbers are that they have some 5-10 years of life left at most. 300,000 * 10 * 365 / 300,000,000 = 3.65. In other words, if all of the COVID deaths were distributed evenly we would have each lost under 4 days of life, and probably more like 2.

Now, are you seriously claiming that someone who would prefer to see the smile on a friend's face while eating at a nice restaurant over living four more days can only be a selfish, morally reprehensible, anti-citizen?

Originally Posted by Soothsayer

Go ahead - cherry-pick the articles that support your point of view

The AAPS page quotes some 30 articles if I am eyeballing it correctly. Please remember that the scientific consensus up till about 8 months ago was that masks don't work. Fauci is literally on record as stating that the average person should not wear a mask and that asymptomatic people are never the primary drivers of an epidemic.

Originally Posted by Soothsayer

do what the overall academic consensus tells you to do. I'm willing to bet that most of you have no credentials and no expertise on the subject.

I have a PhD in Computer Science. I've seen how the academic sausage is made. Peer reviewed papers are more interesting than random internet pages . . . but not by much. Mostly they just reflect the interests of their corporate donors, and those are not always aligned with the truth . . .

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, neither of you selfish and moronic individuals have been able to make a coherent and intelligent argument for why it's an issue for you to occasionally have to put on a mask (i.e. when you're indoors in a public place and not eating/drinking) just in case the data about it helping to reduce spread is accurate. Still waiting.

I have repeatedly stated that I *do* wear a mask and I don't particularly mind it. My arguments have all been about why we don't treat similarly-risky diseases in this way, or respond societally to them in this way. At all. The response is completely out of proportion to the risk. You guys have yet to formulate an argument as to why this one is worthy of this response, outside of "it's more transmittable". It's also overwhelmingly not dangerous for the overwhelming majority of people. That's the asymmetry that hasn't been addressed.

I already pointed out that the flu killed more kids, in only one flu season, which only lasts 4 months. Covid has killed significantly fewer kids than that in an entire year, yet we don't have mask mandates and lockdowns for a bad flu season. If you're arguing in good faith, you should say "Well, we SHOULD mask up for the flu season". That would at least be consistent. But that's never the response, it's always some handwaving "well this is magically worse because of authoritative sources of medical professionals" word salad garbage.