RAID SUSPENSION RESOLUTIONS

[Toomuch]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as petitionquest, how about we have a limit to how many times per week or per month a guild can even file a raid petition? Like in the NFL where the coach only has so many red challenge flags per game. That way people aren't petitioning every tiny little slight and technicality in hopes the GM's rule in their favor, you have to use your petitions wisely.

Nope, that'd be bad, that leaves the door wide open to serious shenanigans.

Example:
Part 1: It quakes. There's a blatant train on raid force A by raid force B during a Dozekar engage. Raid force A wipes, and raid force B kills Dozekar. Fraps are taken, and it's a very clear raid violation. It gets petitioned by raid force A, because that's what you'd do. (at this point your only petition is used up)
Part 2: 30 minutes later, There's a blatant train on raid force A by raid force B (again), this time during an Aaryonar engage, raid force A wipes, and raid force B kills Aaryonar. Fraps are taken, and it's a very clear raid violation. (Raid force A is out of petitions)
Part 3: 2 hours later, There's a blatant train on raid force A by raid force B (again), this time during a Vulak engage, raid force A wipes, and raid force B kills Vulak. Fraps are taken, and it's a very clear raid violation. (Raid force A is out of petitions)

Or say it's 3 days after a quake, and all ST golems are in window, and same thing one raid force trains the other one on 3 separate encounters. Or say it's 3 weeks after a quake and the ST windows are now spread out over the course of 48 hours, and one raid force trains the other raid force for all 3 ST golems.

I hope you're getting the idea: You need to be able to petition extremely bad behavior, whenever it happens, and the punishment(s) should fit the crime(s). Allowing for only 1 petition to be submitted basically opens the door for future bad behavior. It'd become a game of "ok we're going to get 1 bad thing out of the way, so they petition it, and then we're home free, we can do whatever the hell we want until the hammer comes down on that 1st thing we did, and the rest will be un-reportable. So let's make sure to train them on all low to mid-level targets, hope they submit that petition, and if they didn't, well, free mobs! And if we're able to confirm they already submitted a petition, train them after that too, and more free mobs!"

In short: What needs to STOP is 1. the bad behavior (not the reporting of bad behavior), and 2. the reporting of non-issues, "grasping at straws" kinds of issues, issues where it's truly not the player's or raid force's fault that something happened, and "crying wolf" types of issues.

[HitsmeChanter]

I think this would turn the current 20 page petitions the GMs have to read into 100 page petitions because guilds would try to bundle them...

[Fammaden]

Then throw out the whole thing if you get to a second incident in the same petition.

[HitsmeChanter]

The real problem is that we're encountering a lot of problems around racing, training, leapfrogging etc... those ALL stem from rooted dragons...

[HitsmeChanter]

Another option is FTE race with a 1 hour lockout 3 weeks of every month. Every 4th cycle the big guilds, Freedom, AG, Riot don't participate for a full 24 hours post first pop, that allows casuals time to band together and go after any target(s) they want.

[Fammaden]

Well Galach has made it clear that ToV specifically is only one part of a ten point list of problems and bringing up rooting/unrooting to him is pointless.

[galach]

Not dev/management. I can't unroot.

[Zipity]

FTE lockouts literally solves every single issue in one fell swoop and we already have yellow text in place. I say we try it for a month.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Zipity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTE lockouts literally solves every single issue in one fell swoop and we already have yellow text in place. I say we try it for a month.

It doesn't solve petition quest and likely makes it worse without server side notifications of when a guild is locked/unlocked.

[HitsmeChanter]

The problem is no matter what someones going to be irate about the solution. Could we consider other options than just a straight rotation. I feel like that will just lead to an extremely long line of guilds all trying to get their piece of the pie... just off the top of my head...

- could we reduce spawn times?
- enact nuclear level penalties for abusing petitions?
- enact nuclear level penalties for repeat rule violations?
- expand the guide team to lower the workload?
- create a player counsel to debate, discuss and decide on the outcome of petitions? (with GM oversight to avoid abuse, or even to prelim a decision and pass to GMS to give a thumbs up or down)
- Pick the core mobs that cause the most contention and rotate those, aka, city leaders, vulak, CT?


I think that this problem is too complex for a simple solution like, just rotate all.