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Old 11-25-2020, 10:19 PM
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Nah, I'll take endless mana free clickies that don't expire over charges any day. Superior is all a matter of preference.
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Old 11-25-2020, 10:32 PM
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Nah, I'll take endless mana free clickies that don't expire over charges any day. Superior is all a matter of preference.
Once you get Torpor the way you play your Shaman changes significantly. It may not seem that way now, but things you thought were important become way less significant, like specific clickies (Snare Neck) and worn regeneration. I am just trying to prepare you for the change.

The reason why I cite charged clickies is because snare is such a rarely needed spell on a Shaman, especially with Torpor. I have 2x Balls of Burlap Yarn and 2x Scepters of the Forlorn, and I have yet to use them. Having a few for emergencies is more than enough for a long time.
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:27 AM
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Once you get Torpor the way you play your Shaman changes significantly. It may not seem that way now, but things you thought were important become way less significant, like specific clickies (Snare Neck) and worn regeneration. I am just trying to prepare you for the change.

The reason why I cite charged clickies is because snare is such a rarely needed spell on a Shaman, especially with Torpor. I have 2x Balls of Burlap Yarn and 2x Scepters of the Forlorn, and I have yet to use them. Having a few for emergencies is more than enough for a long time.
I fully understand the min/max perspective, but it's irrelevant right now as I'm only lvl 51. Once I'm a 60 Torpor Shaman I fully expect life will change, but until then I'll rock the Fungi and Snare neck and love every minute of it. I've had the neck since lvl 15ish and have used it on and off since I could click it. It's a very valuable leveling tool even if it's useless in the end game.
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Old 11-27-2020, 01:34 AM
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I fully understand the min/max perspective, but it's irrelevant right now as I'm only lvl 51. Once I'm a 60 Torpor Shaman I fully expect life will change, but until then I'll rock the Fungi and Snare neck and love every minute of it. I've had the neck since lvl 15ish and have used it on and off since I could click it. It's a very valuable leveling tool even if it's useless in the end game.
Of course, I am not trying to ruin your fun[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am just trying to help yourself and other people reading. You already have the race you want to play, so there is no reason to reroll, and I am not saying you should stop using the snare neck. Before you get Torpor, any mana saving device is awesome because it increases your kill speed. I made sure to get as many clickies as possible to save all the mana I could per hour before I got Torpor. I even got Shawl 7 around 52 for that Flowing Thought I.

My mana saving items before Torpor were:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Black_Fur_Boots - 80 Mana Per hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fungus_Covered_Scale_Tunic - ~4500 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fungi_Covered_Great_Staff - 1200 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Runed_Coldain_Prayer_Shawl - 600 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Rune_Cr...7s_Breastplate - 150 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Gauntlets - 80 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Boots - 80 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Vambraces - 80 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Helm - 80 Mana Per Hour
https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Bracer - Depends. Easily over 3000 Mana Per Hour if you are fighting a good portion of that hour.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Torch_Of_Alna_Quest - Depends. At least one pet's worth of mana.

I would have considered getting:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Jaundiced_Bone_Breastplate to save 200 Mana Per Hour Shroud of the Spirits.

If Chardok 2.0 had come out, I probably would have picked up:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Oracle_Shillelagh
https://wiki.project1999.com/Earring_of_Cleansing
https://wiki.project1999.com/Earring_of_Purity

Being able to save at least 10,000 mana per hour is crazy. That is the equivalent of meditating for 50 minutes straight at 20 mana per tick. With snare neck you could easily save at least 300-600 mana per hour on roots, which is the same as a Flowing Thought I item, always nice[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Spear_of_Fate is obviously a big one too, but I mention this last because it is not as easy to come by these days unless you are in a raiding guild or can pay 100k or so.
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Old 11-26-2020, 01:59 AM
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wow just wow!
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Old 11-27-2020, 01:39 AM
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This is a very good guide OP!

being going back and forth on it

contains some useful info
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:24 PM
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I give it 4.3 stars. I’d hit it and call again.
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Old 12-26-2020, 05:34 AM
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Some additional video evidence that stuns can* be deadly:

https://youtu.be/WKsIYryPDfI?t=916

While the sham in the video did kill vilefang (super cool BTW), it got dicey at that one point due to resists + stuns.

*stuns can kill you but didn't happen in this video
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Old 12-26-2020, 01:20 PM
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Some additional video evidence that stuns can* be deadly:

https://youtu.be/WKsIYryPDfI?t=916

While the sham in the video did kill vilefang (super cool BTW), it got dicey at that one point due to resists + stuns.

*stuns can kill you but didn't happen in this video
That is a great video! Never even thought about soloing Vilefang. That part you highlighted did get pretty dicey, he got under 20% HP. Glad to see he recovered lol, someone else would have taken Vilefang real fast. Thanks for sharing!
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Old 12-26-2020, 01:53 PM
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Some additional video evidence that stuns can* be deadly:

https://youtu.be/WKsIYryPDfI?t=916

While the sham in the video did kill vilefang (super cool BTW), it got dicey at that one point due to resists + stuns.

*stuns can kill you but didn't happen in this video
It’s hard to argue with how valuable FSI is for an ogre shaman at level 60. I think most would agree that in soloing big name situations, ogre is ideal because having some extra standing regen or a snare necklace click or 2 here and there might not really do anything. The grey area in the shaman race debate is the overall usefulness of the various racial advantages. Ogre is great for 60 torpor soloing, but not that great from 1-59 as well as whenever you’re not actively taking hits(which is the large majority of the time) unless you’re a solo only shaman. The overall usefulness of troll/iksar regen can be applied to basically any scenario vs situational stun immunity which to me is more in the ballpark of competing with other situational things such as as trolls snare necklace or troll/iksar undead fear necklace.
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