What does velious actually add?

[Snortles Chortles]

Originally Posted by Natewest1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To this day, I have trouble understanding luclin. It felt so out of place, and I never followed the i game lore. I just remember it’s reveal and ... seeing cats on the moon and being like wtf

ding ding, we have a winner
Luclin was shit

[noleriand]

#openthedoor2020 what do the spell vendors know?!

PoP was a return to Norrath but the whole "it was all a dream" ending does a lot to deflate its story. Where's that hidden city of Zebuxoruk the manual hinted at so long ago?

Luclin as an optional add-on tho, I dunno. Between classic and PoP it seems like the least optional expansion, what with mounts changing casting (catch your med tick while casting omg!) and the Bazaar siphoning all commerce to it and free afk intercontinental (technically, interplanetary because that's how silly Luclin is) travel becoming a thing. Probably other stuff too, but that's just off the top of my head. Oh, and AA's! Luclin may have been 33% of the expansions at that point, but I don't think its nuts to say you were missing out on closer to 50% of what was available overall - much higher tier than say, missing out on Warrens.

Oh and about things that Velious adds, I know it turned out to be a lore dead-end until like 2007 but the whole threat of a draconic apocalypse heralded by Kerafyrm was at least kinda interesting! And it fit with a game whose manual has a bunch of dragon lore in it but is a little light on shadow entities.

As much as I rail on it, if I were making my own expansive world I would steal heavily from Luclin, I'd just try to make it feel like a thing that everything else was leading up to, rather than the kind of weird, spectacular tangent it felt like. Set up, pay off and all that jazz.

[noleriand]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to respect ur opinion tho, especially about the Seru and dark elves, shadowhaven, seru, and katta all should have had hard KOS like neriak elfs and good god worshippers, felwith vs darkies, and freeport vs trolls ogres

Shadowhaven clearly has brellish themese who don't like ogres at all, which is a very dwarven quality, where as Katta is definately the good guys lol, and Seru should have been total dicks to evil races.

I respect yours btw, just kinda flaming the expansion. Feels like it came really close to brilliance but had just enough wrong with it to be frustrating to me, and its kinda fun to articulate why to other nerds who get it.

Also I guess I gotta rationalize spending so much of my life on Velious-locked servers lol

[magnetaress]

Ur right about the baz, ppl should have been able to broker /trader in base game in other cities. Sorry I don't like sitting online for 50 years brokering and hitting a spam /auction key but otherwise yeah, valid points!

I never had a mount until GoD lol! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I was a perma newb

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ur right about the baz, ppl should have been able to broker /trader in base game in other cities. Sorry I don't like sitting online for 50 years brokering and hitting a spam /auction key but otherwise yeah, valid points!

I never had a mount until GoD lol! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I was a perma newb

My friends RMTd me a horse.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My friends RMTd me a horse.

For my birthday!

[magnetaress]

Also I remember the frame rates dropping to like 1 and crashing a lot in various places due to some wierd chipset bug with the drivers, the game shipped without a work around, and it took them far to long to fix it. EQ is the least technically proficient of all MMOs. it's definately hacked together.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I remember the frame rates dropping to like 1 and crashing a lot in various places due to some wierd chipset bug with the drivers, the game shipped without a work around, and it took them far to long to fix it. EQ is the least technically proficient of all MMOs. it's definately hacked together.

There was a certain arrogance among the devs, that the players were inept whiners, which in fairness to the devs was certainly at least half true in my case.

Complaints that taunt didn't work, that bash didn't work were met with the official policy 'l2p git gud' … of course it later transpired that taunt wasn't working properly after level 50 (for years) and it wasn't till Dragons of Norrath where they revealed 'oh whoops, we thought you weren't using shields on your warriors because you were newbs, but actually we've just realised that bash wasn't generating aggro the same as spell stun which we thought it did' - that was like 5 years into Everquest. And even when these issues were identified, they were never properly fixed 'the meta has adjusted to low aggro shield bash so we'll just add a few more furious bash items'.

There was great vision, and the zone designs were pretty cool, which got carried by exactly the right artist for the project, but honestly the game is a mess.

[magnetaress]

Yep. Lol. I abhor a mess, but I tolerate EQ... >.>

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does velious actually add?

Mainly it adds a sense of dread as The Senescence drifts over the cold frozen lands, covering everything with a fog that never lifts.