/list feature first phase completed - reviews and suggestions for the future

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by phr0stbyt3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you participate in any of the lists? I would argue the "life" of the game at one of those camps was completely gone. Making them available at vendors would add value to other parts of the game, but the lists themselves are silly theme park experiences to me. I would equate it to watching hours of Disneyland streamers go on rides, then going to the themepark yourself only to wait in line for 6 hours to enjoy a 30 second ride. Oh, it's also going to cost you $500 to get in the gates.

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I don't have 40 hrs to sit infront of a camp.... lol despite having no life, no friends, and being always afk.

That said I made some great forumposts while everyone was /listing and my elf karma increased.

Look - everyone gets a participation 'point' in wow for just showing up. Essentially, and loot is autorolled at this point. It's even like actually pretty hard to circumvent and I played in a guild... where we attempted to do guild runs, but its hard to field players because the common denominator (people like me) aint got time for being #1 guild on the box *** Or even good enough at the game to do a 'heroic****. And those guilds burn out FAST, that is more of a social game for a group of like 10 people who like managing 40 other peoples personalities.

Perhaps I can't understand the fun in it, but I dont want to log in and acrue points. I want to log in and just dream of a time when I will eventualy get a bone razor, don't give a flip about a ragebringer, nawmean? Actually stilleto of the bloodclaw has a proc, and obsidian dagger looks prettier )

So, it's hard for me to fathom what people are going through. I did it once, when I was in the military I would stahy up to 4am earning dkp with my guildies, BUTTTTTTT here's the big caveat, even back then that DKP wasn't anything I cared about, I just showed up on my cleric /healed and tried to hit on the thots (back when I was still a juvanile virile male). It's human nature I guess, but I wasn't trhying to earn specific gear... I just spent DKP when I had enough and something 'cool' looking dropped. I was friends with a cool mage bro who did farm DKP for specific items and they were super serious about raid times and encouraged me to be their #2 wingman at the time.

Such is life.

Don't get bent over a broken 30 yr old pixel, this game still has a lot of charm even if you've seen it all if we can take a step back from all this 'lets balance', 'make fair', 'need rotations', '/list', /accrued time on accounts at camp shenanagainz

If u are mad, I am sorry my intent isn't to troll, I am just spewing rainbow puke stream of conciousness...

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And if I could go back in time and change everything I would make babies with that cool mage bro and be a server mom.\

Yikes I need help, not pickles.

[phr0stbyt3]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if I could go back in time and change everything I would make babies with that cool mage bro and be a server mom.\

Yikes I need help, not pickles.

Gotcha... Sounds like we agree on some things. My biggest criticism is of the manastone camp where it was not lore AND a rare drop rate on a 38 minute spawn. It is physically impossible for one single person to wait 80 hours to obtain that, and encourages enlisting mechanics that operate in grey rule areas and violate the classic EQ experience anyway. Might as well just put it on a vendor, and/or make it 100% drop rate every 2 hours with account-lore, or item lore at the very least. I don't necessarily want it to be easier, hence my suggestion for a 10kpp price tag. Heck, make it a quest for all I care. A complete redesign of the camp would work too, but the /list on this camp specifically is not classic at all.

[magnetaress]

Lore would have been an excellent step in the right direction with that camp for sure. Thx )

I guess for certain specific items, you really have a totally valid point. I shouldn't godzilla u.

[phr0stbyt3]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lore would have been an excellent step in the right direction with that camp for sure. Thx )

I guess for certain specific items, you really have a totally valid point. I shouldn't godzilla u.

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[Jimjam]

When was the lore mechanic introduced? Was it in from day 1?

[Izmael]

What lore mechanic? I have an original manastone on live, it's over 20 years old. It's not lore, it's exactly how it is here on P99.

[Jimjam]

You know that mechanic that makes it so you can only have one copy of some items in inventory / banked?

I was wondering if it came in around the time of the Temple Sol Ro armor. I remember the 'Lore Pending' tag on Shralok Packs and other items, which suggests to me that perhaps at some point there may not have been a 'lore' mechanic in game.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know that mechanic that makes it so you can only have one copy of some items in inventory / banked?

I was wondering if it came in around the time of the Temple Sol Ro armor. I remember the 'Lore Pending' tag on Shralok Packs and other items, which suggests to me that perhaps at some point there may not have been a 'lore' mechanic in game.

I think if it was in it was rarely seen, yeah there is a lot of non classic stuff here...

There should be a server that never goes past week 2 or w/e

I use tog in and train the entire newbie zones to the guards to loot up, i made about 10p per hr this way on my newbie characters I dont think guards should gank the mob (poof) if the guard gets the kill the corpse should be locked and everyone should have a chance at the loot, no exp, if u do 50% dmg the killl should be urs

No LORE

No NO DROP

No Trivial loot code

KSing should be legal, people should be able to mez steel and wiz nuke

Seriously its great that blue/green/red (sorta) have rules, and they try to follow a pnP

There is room for a wild wild west server tho.

also wiz nukes got nerfed, right at the end of beta, b4 live, but they should be unerffed and wizards should have their full potential unocked

[Polkan]

I've been reading the whole post and the different ideas made me think about this:

- Every character gets a counter for each different list.

- /list command forms a group with the first 6 players in the list.

- Every hour spent by a player in the group gives him a positive amount of points to his counter. Players not in the group get a lower amount of points each hour. Dunno if it's possible to make ungrouped players earn points by assisting in each kill of mobs spawned in that camp.

- When the item drops, it is randomly assigned to one of these 6 players and he is removed both from list and group. He also gets a huge negative amount of points to his counter. The next player in the list is added to the group.

- AFK checks are be only applied to the group, and a /voteafk command can be created for them to use with players that don't contribute towards the goal. If 3 players use the command for the same member and he also skips an AFK check, he is automatically thrown out from the group and assigned a negative amount of points. The same happens if all the 5 players use the command against the 6th member or if a player skips two AFK checks in a row.

- When a player joins a list, it adjusts the positions of every player in it according to the points every player has in their counter.

- Every hour spent online without using the /list command for any camp will decrease the negative score until reaching 0.

Hope at least this helps somebody else to come up with new ideas to tackle this issue.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Polkan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been reading the whole post and the different ideas made me think about this:

- Every character gets a counter for each different list.

- /list command forms a group with the first 6 players in the list.

- Every hour spent by a player in the group gives him a positive amount of points to his counter. Players not in the group get a lower amount of points each hour. Dunno if it's possible to make ungrouped players earn points by assisting in each kill of mobs spawned in that camp.

- When the item drops, it is randomly assigned to one of these 6 players and he is removed both from list and group. He also gets a huge negative amount of points to his counter. The next player in the list is added to the group.

- AFK checks are be only applied to the group, and a /voteafk command can be created for them to use with players that don't contribute towards the goal. If 3 players use the command for the same member and he also skips an AFK check, he is automatically thrown out from the group and assigned a negative amount of points. The same happens if all the 5 players use the command against the 6th member or if a player skips two AFK checks in a row.

- When a player joins a list, it adjusts the positions of every player in it according to the points every player has in their counter.

- Every hour spent online without using the /list command for any camp will decrease the negative score until reaching 0.

Hope at least this helps somebody else to come up with new ideas to tackle this issue.

Great so now all uneed is 5 friends or to box 6 toons and u can permanently sit at a camp and acrue negative points indefinatley vote afk anyone who doesn't send pizza.

No thanks, dude you are clearly an exploitive creep